Show off your Delawares! *PIC HEAVY*

[jeremy]

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Yes, Jeremy! That is what I should do! There is gonna be lots of hatching going on, for sure!

Well, my Hovabator will hold 47 and my Brinsea can hold 31 if I squeeze 'em in just right. I think it would be really exciting incubating these eggs, I would so anxious during the three weeks.

Is the cockerel you pictured the only boy you kept?

 

[kathyinmo]

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Yes, Jeremy! That is what I should do! There is gonna be lots of hatching going on, for sure!

Well, my Hovabator will hold 47 and my Brinsea can hold 31 if I squeeze 'em in just right. I think it would be really exciting incubating these eggs, I would so anxious during the three weeks.

Is the cockerel you pictured the only boy you kept?

I have more F1 chicks growing out now, from cockerel #2. This first batch is from cockerel #1. I have only 10 pullets and 1 cockerel. I didn't plan it that way. That is just how it turned out. catdaddyfro had 50-50 males and females (about 25 chicks, I think).

 

[bt2000]

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Yes, Jeremy! That is what I should do! There is gonna be lots of hatching going on, for sure!

Well, my Hovabator will hold 47 and my Brinsea can hold 31 if I squeeze 'em in just right. I think it would be really exciting incubating these eggs, I would so anxious during the three weeks.

Is the cockerel you pictured the only boy you kept?

I have capacity now to "pop" 400 at a time. But OMG@the feed bill.

 

[kathyinmo]

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Yes, I've read a lot on that. Are you sure that the Barred rocks you've started with are all E/E?

Once you get to the next generation, should be easier to see segregation in chick down phenotype alone.

I've read that many are/were E/eb. In fact I'll have to see if I can dig up the paper I read on show vs production genotype in the time period when the Delawares were created.

I often ....... VERY OFTEN ......... wondered about the genotype of the original birds that George Ellis used!

If this works out ....... GREAT! If not ........ my freezer will overflow.

My Barred Rocks are from old stock. Do I know the genotype?

 

[kathyinmo]

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Well, my Hovabator will hold 47 and my Brinsea can hold 31 if I squeeze 'em in just right. I think it would be really exciting incubating these eggs, I would so anxious during the three weeks.

Is the cockerel you pictured the only boy you kept?

I have capacity now to "pop" 400 at a time. But OMG@the feed bill.

Think of it as freezer filler!

 

[jeremy]

I don't mean to sidetrack the current convo that's going on but a friend of mine sent me these pictures of her Delaweggers she hatched from me in early March. The chicks are from my Blue Wheaten Ameraucana roo over Del hens, they are sex linked at hatch. The orangey-Buff bird is the pullet and the Blue Barred White bird is the cockerel.

 

[kstaven]

I've seen that reference to E/E E/eb in a poultry journal. Adds an interesting potential twist to the project.

 

[jeremy]

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Well, my Hovabator will hold 47 and my Brinsea can hold 31 if I squeeze 'em in just right. I think it would be really exciting incubating these eggs, I would so anxious during the three weeks.

Is the cockerel you pictured the only boy you kept?

I have more F1 chicks growing out now, from cockerel #2. This first batch is from cockerel #1. I have only 10 pullets and 1 cockerel. I didn't plan it that way. That is just how it turned out. catdaddyfro had 50-50 males and females (about 25 chicks, I think).

Hm, maybe you'll continue to hatch out lots of pullets then!

 

[jeremy]

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Potentially what would be the difference in offspring if the birds were E/E rather than E/eb? Or vice versa.

 

[bt2000]

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Already have one freezer filled.. lol ... and I still have 100-125 "extras".. though I do have someone coming Tuesday interested in starting their own flock of layers. So here's to hoping... lol


Ok.. here's a little "blurb" I made note of on my "quick text of possible Del genetics list".. lol

"Many examples of self black breeds, but similarity is more phenotypic than genotypic. Most are based on E or ER, but not all. Eumelanin enhancing genes found in E & ER based self blacks. Cote (1976) studied nine self black & one birchen male (1976), all carrying eumelanising modifiers. Ml found in only 5 out of 9 (ie not in birchen, Black P.Rock, Blue Frizzle & Black OEG). It was linked with the black lacing gene (ie Pg) except in a Mottled Ancona that was homozygous for Ml & nonlacing (pg+). Other eumelanin intensifiers were also present, even in the birchen, but they were not identified individually. None of the E heterozygotes developed solid black plumage in the absence of eumelanising modifiers. Eight of the nine males also carried eumelanin restrictors, but only 2 of these carried Co. No birds were carrying Db (tested with Db/Db and Co/Co tester lines)(ed. Crawford, 1990).
Cote's research birds......

* 1 Mottled Ancona (EE Ml-pg+/Ml-pg+ co+/co+ Id w/w)
* 2 Exhibition Barred Plymouth Rock (EE Ml-Pg/ml+-pg+ Co/co+ Id w/w)
* 3 Meat type Barred Plymouth Rock (E/eb Ml-Pg Co/co+ Id w/w)
* 4 Blue Frizzle Cochin (EE ml+/ml+ co+/co+ Id w/w)
* 5 Meat type Blue (EE Ml-Pg co+/co+ Id W+/W+)
* 6 Black Wyandotte (EE Ml-Pg co+/co+ Id w/w)
* 7 Solid Black Plymouth Rock (E/eb ml+ Co/co+ id+/id+ w/w)
* 8 Black Old English Game (E/e+ ml+-pg+/ml+-pg+ co+/co+ id+/id+ W+/W+) (plus eumelanisers)
* 9 Birchen Modern Game (EE ml+/ml+ co+/co+ id+/id+ W+/W+)(plus one eumelanin intensifier)

* References to Cote's research:
Cote, R.S. (1976). A genetic analysis of self black plumage color in the domestic fowl. M.S. Thesis, University of Massachusetts, Amherst.

Crawford, R.D (ed.)(1990). Poultry Breeding and Genetics. Elsevier, Amsterdam.

Jeffrey, F.P. (1976) Bantam Chickens, ABA .

Smyth, J.R. Jr. (1976) Genetic Control of Melanin Pigmentation in the Fowl. University of Massachusetts, Amherst.
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