Sitting with a cup of coffee. (coffee lovers)

[ronott1]

The video is ready!

You can see the pieces of the yolk in the egg.

 

[Highcotton]

I fully understand. I have very convincing Grandchildren.

 

[ronott1]

I like pics. Here, let me post something...


Eddie Lacy: my best free range rooster flapping.
This one's from a few months ago; I'll have to get my more recent stuff off my phone.

Yay for working voles!!!
I have minions, but I don't have pics of them working....Hmmm




I'm no dog expert, but as soon as puppies are starting to eat proper food (even before they're weaned), I start teaching them their names and sit and come. Beyond that, I'm lost, but I start early and just praise when they do it right, no negative reinforcement here. Somehow that works better on puppies than it does on minions....I hate negative reinforcement!

Negative Reinforcement is taking something away. I think you are talking about punishment.

 

[3goodeggs]

My son explained that to me! So even if you are giving a spanking to a child, and most of us think of that as 'Negative", you are actually giving them something so it is positive reinforcement.
Confusing.
I am still trying to get the puppy from barking so loudly at the older two dogs when she wants to play and they are worn out.
The only way to stop her from doing it is to take away the toys she has brought to them to tease them with. (They need their rest too.) So even tough that seems a nice way of doing it, it is negative reinforcement.
So the word negative has a negative connotation when actually it just means absent?

 

[ronott1]

My son explained that to me! So even if you are giving a spanking to a child, and most of us think of that as 'Negative", you are actually giving them something so it is positive reinforcement.
Confusing.
I am still trying to get the puppy from barking so loudly at the older two dogs when she wants to play and they are worn out.
The only way to stop her from doing it is to take away the toys she has brought to them to tease them with. (They need their rest too.) So even tough that seems a nice way of doing it, it is negative reinforcement.
So the word negative has a negative connotation when actually it just means absent?

That is correct!

Negative reinforcement is actually a good thing--like not giving a screaming toddler a candy, which is a reinforcement for screaming.

 

[vehve]

Quote: Yup, I always refer to punishment as negative reinforcement by mistake. Now I actually looked it up so maybe I can learn to use the terms correctly. But negative reinforcement works with dogs too, eg. holding a dog down on it's side until it has calmed down, then letting it get up once it's stopped squirming.

 

[Bunnylady]

So when my miniature horse nips at me, and I go, "Ah-AH!" and smack her, that's positive reinforcement? I mean, she knows she's asking for it; we had this conversation years ago and she's just trying to make sure that the pecking order hasn't changed . . . .

 

[3goodeggs]

I suppose taking away a painful event is negative too, even if it is beneficial.
Say Child 'A' is whopping child 'B' with a toy. If you remove the toy from child' A', then you are reinforcing a cause effect on child 'A' but at the same time the negative reinforcement to child 'B' is that they matter enough to take the weapon (I mean toy) away from child 'A'.

 

[vehve]

So when my miniature horse nips at me, and I go, "Ah-AH!" and smack her, that's positive reinforcement? I mean, she knows she's asking for it; we had this conversation years ago and she's just trying to make sure that the pecking order hasn't changed . . . .

That would be positive punishment.

 

[3goodeggs]

So, maybe 'bad' and 'good' are confused with 'positive' and 'negative'.

The puppy will not come inside sometimes.
I go get her, pick her up, and carry her inside.
Which she might actually enjoy the attention and ignore me just for the ride.

My husband grabs her by the collar and forces her up on her feet and walks her in.

My son goes and gets her squeaker toy and squeaks it and she come barreling in.
(Yea, He's a lot smarter than his parents)
But all of those scenes are Positive reinforcement? even the dragging her in by the collar technique?