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[yinepu]

Yinepu how is your husband doing? I know you were showing him off at the 'flea market' over the weekend.

You had mentioned he went to the doctor last week. (Are we allowed to ask that question?)

Lisa

He has a "profile" at work.. means no PT.. no lifting.. no running.. no nothing for 90 days.. basically he can wear a uniform and show up.. then they decide if they want him to sit there look pretty and push a few papers.. or send him home for the day!

after 90 days he goes back for more tests (his foot, ankle, spleen, knee, and head injuries).. then they will decide if he will end up needing surgery, go back to regular work.. or more time of sitting there and looking pretty.

 

[yinepu]

Cool!

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i fthey all hatch.. there's gonna be a lot of caponizing going on here!

 

[GaryDean26]

do any of yall use broodies?

Yep...I have 13 Euskal Oiloa eggs set to hatch in a week that are under my a 2 year old Black Copper Marans. I had my Silkie/Cochin X White Leghorn go broody on us about the same time (she can't hardly lay two weeks in a row with out going broody). I wanted to put some eggs under her too, but she wouldn't settle when we moved her to the broody pen, so she is back in the laying flock now. No one else has tried to sit on the nest this spring. I image as soon as we are done hatching in June that we will have half of the flock turn broody. That is usually my luck.

I mostly use the incubator, because it has a larger capacity and works on our schedule, not its own. I do want to use broodies with all of our Basque Hen hatches that we keep though. We had one brood of Cream Legbars that were raised by their mother last fall, and their foraging skill are much more advanced than the rest of the Cream Legbar flock. The electric brooder Legbars will sit in the coop during the afternoon only to emerge in the morning and evening, while the naturally raised pullets are out foraging all day long.

 

[yinepu]

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one of these days you need to post some pics of your EOs.. I love those silly birds.. I have a bunch of chicks now.. and I can't wait for them to grow up! (plus I NEEED some of your eggs as soon as I have room.. come on bator parts!!!)

 

[Cockle-Dood]

lol.. I have a pinioned turkey that has been living with my geese, pekins, muscovys and cayugas from day 1.. he tries to bully the muscovy drakes a bit now that he's older and it's spring... As a baby he had a few issues with his feet.. So I pinioned him and just left him with the waterfowl. He's due to go to freezer camp in a few weeks.. he's a "runt".. has problems with his feathers and looks like hell.... and probably should have been culled at hatch.. but he was a fighter.. so I let him live knowing he would be a freezer camper when he was big enough.

Mine are just penned.. no roof or netting over the pen.. and no house for the summer.. I'll make something for them this winter in case the sebies want to get out of the weather. My muscovys are pinioned.. so no worries about flying


If it's a large open range situation they will all be fine together (but you may have to do something with the turkey's wings to keep them grounded)
If it's just a coop and run.. you MIGHT be able to get away with them all together.. but you're almost guaranteed to have a few problems during turkey breeding season.

the only turkeys i plan on raising at first will be the dbl breasted meaties...so they would be with them for brief periods of time. and the run im planning in my head will ahve more of an open air lean-to type home for those guys! will def have to look into the pinioning though....dont really know what that is other than something on the wing to prevent flight....

 

[yinepu]

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it's removing the end of the wing (the tip) when they are just a day old... a quick snip with a scissors renders them flightless for life

I gathered this info for Kili a while back (yeah.. it's from our PM)

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for pinioning.. you need a bird that is just a couple of days old at most.. the older they are the more they can bleed
I HAVE pinioned three weekold ducklings.. but they fight a whole lot more..

you also need sharp scissors

when you look at the wing.. you have the "drumette" (humerus).. then the next section has the two long bones (radius and ulna).. a little "thumb" that sicks off and the metacarpus with phalanges.. (which is the little flipper part that you don't eat when you have hot wings)




to pinion you go to the other side of the little "thumb" (onto the metacarpus) and snip off the wing




it's fast .. relatively no blood to speak of and they only make a bit of a squawk... one word of caution.. the longer you hold them after the snip.. the more they will bleed (heart pumps faster because they are scared).. the older the duckling is the more it will bleed too.. usually its not more than a drop or two..

you don't want to snip off the "thumb" though.. just under it.. I even go out a smidge further than they show in the second picture since it's hard to get a good snip that close up to the thumb that sticks out.

Adult birds are a royal pain to pinion .. you need wire cutters to hack through bone and there is a real risk of them bleeding to death.. so I won't bother with pinioning an adult bird
I have also pinioned turkey poults... so you can pretty much pinion any flighted bird that you want to stay grounded; but don't want to have to worry about catching a few times a year to clip wing feathers

also..you only pinion one wing on a bird (usually the right wing)


so long as you stay on the matacarpus you can't do any real damage.. if you go too far from the "thumb" towards the phalanges you risk limited flight because more flight feathers will be permitted to grow.. so you want to minimize that

cutting back into the radius and ulna will cause more bleeding and damage to soft tissues..

so the safest place to cut is under the "thumb".. I just don't take it all the way back to the joint like the second picture shows

think of it this way
you can have fingers cut off and it will keep you from writing.. but it's not "life threatening"..
however if you hack off your lower arm and you risk a lot more damage (bunching of soft tissues) plus bleeding to death..


when a properly pinioned bird walks past you.. you don't even notice it's been pinioned..

unless they spread their wings

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/417114/exotic-duck-question









zoos and wildlife parks use pinioning all the time... otherwise their exotic bird collections would end up being pretty empty


for muscovys and other migratory waterfowl federal regulations call for either pinioning the right wing, solid leg bands, tattooing the webbing of the feet or removing the back toe

so I pinion all my muscovys right after hatch just in case they should ever decide to enforce their regs.

 

[TexasLisa]

He has a "profile" at work.. means no PT.. no lifting.. no running.. no nothing for 90 days.. basically he can wear a uniform and show up.. then they decide if they want him to sit there look pretty and push a few papers.. or send him home for the day!

after 90 days he goes back for more tests (his foot, ankle, spleen, knee, and head injuries).. then they will decide if he will end up needing surgery, go back to regular work.. or more time of sitting there and looking pretty.

Thanks for the update! I hope he has a speedy recovery and can still stay stateside. Somebody needs to help his enabling wife.

Lisa

 

[chicken fever]

I would rather use a broody than an incubator it tends to be a better hat rate. once they're hatched I take them away from her and it takes about two weeks for her to begin playing again.

do any of yall use broodies?

 

[Cockle-Dood]

ok...so your basically cutting off the primaries just radial "thumb"(trying very hard to remember my anatomical directions)......which in laymans is the part of the buffalo wing that is discarded. i think i follow! for some reason i imagined pinioning being something more of stapling their wing closed and that just made me wonder! but that is great!! i am gonna go home and take a look at my baby chicks, got a couple that are less than a week old. Not that i plan on pinioning anything just yet, but will give me something to look at!

chickens will obviously be a good bit smaller, but should give me something to look at, right?

 

[yinepu]

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I told him that.. he just laughed...