The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

[jeremy]

Thanks Jon.

naturespace, I consider my birds Blue Laced, because they carry the Pattern gene. (Pg/Pg) All of my birds have the Pattern gene, the Blues, the Blacks and the Splash. This is what gives them such distinct lacing in their feathers.

You can see the lacing on my Black hen very well in this photo.



Not all Blues have this gene though, I think some of the American lines don't, so they don't have the crisp lacing that you see in the imported Orpingtons.

ETA: An example of a Blue Orp with very little to no lacing whatsoever in it's feathers, I found this picture using Google image search, it is not mine.

 

[kathyinmo]

I think they are blue. I believe "blue laced," is like a Blue Laced Red Wyandotte.
However, I could be wrong.

 

[naturespace]

Thanks Jon.

naturespace, I consider my birds Blue Laced, because they carry the Pattern gene. (Pg/Pg) All of my birds have the Pattern gene, the Blues, the Blacks and the Splash. This is what gives them such distinct lacing in their feathers.

You can see the lacing on my Black hen very well in this photo.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/image/id/6900609/width/483/height/700

Thanks, that is really helpful info. Your birds are lovely. I used to live down the bay from you (Newark), but we moved to the east now. If I was there I would stop by for some fresh hatching eggs. Oh well.

 

[BamaChicken]

I do not think you call them Blue laced. The standard calls for the the lacing so it should just be part the Breed standard. If you called them blue laced it would have to be blue laced blue since they laced with blue as well as that being their color. I have never heard them referred to as blue laced.
Jeremy I understand what your saying about the pattern.
I have hatced some that were poorly laced before. I think a lot of people give up on the blue Orps because it takes work to get the lacing right with the right color of blue. Not being to dark or to lite so the lacing is poor or just shadowy. BTW, Your girls have outstanding lacing.

 

[jeremy]

I do not think you call them Blue laced. The standard calls for the the lacing so it should just be part the Breed standard. If you called them blue laced it would have to be blue laced blue since they laced with blue as well as that being their color. I have never heard them referred to as blue laced.
Jeremy I understand what your saying about the pattern.
I have hatced some that were poorly laced before. I think a lot of people give up on the blue Orps because it takes work to get the lacing right with the right color of blue. Not being to dark or to lite so the lacing is poor or just shadowy. BTW, Your girls have outstanding lacing.

Julie, I understand what you mean by calling them Blue Laced Blue, I still call my birds just Blue when describing them. When talking about genetics I think we might consider them "Blue Laced". I honestly don't know for sure though. I think I will PM the man who created the Chicken Calculator and ask for some clarification on what the Blue Laced means genetically.

I'm happy that the good lacing seems to be passing along to my offspring, the pullets that I hatched last year are showing good lacing like their mothers. So Neville must be carrying the pattern gene and contributing to the definition of lacing as well.

I'm still very in love with my birds and I cannot wait to see what I hatch this year. My friend who housed Neville for me while we were working out things with the city is doing some Blue to Blue breedings for me at his place and I hope to bring home some Black babies from him sometime this summer. I don't really see myself hatching much else besides Orpingtons this year. I have a feeling they're going to take over one day...

 

[jeremy]

naturespace, What made y'all move away from California? We're considering leaving the Bay Area in a few years to somewhere with more space.

 

[naturespace]

naturespace, What made y'all move away from California? We're considering leaving the Bay Area in a few years to somewhere with more space.

Tired of the rat race. Plus all our family is in the east so we wanted to be closer to them. We were planning on moving for awhile and finally made the move last fall. We are very happy that we did. We are renting a place with 12 acres, but hoping to find something to buy this year. Lots of room for chickens and such. We could only have 2 hens in Newark.

I was able to keep my job and work remotely. That made the move easier. Having a good job instead of having to find something new. Move to VA and bring your chickies .

PM me if you want to discuss getting of of the bay area more.

 

[DaveK]

Julie, I understand what you mean by calling them Blue Laced Blue, I still call my birds just Blue when describing them. When talking about genetics I think we might consider them "Blue Laced". I honestly don't know for sure though. I think I will PM the man who created the Chicken Calculator and ask for some clarification on what the Blue Laced means genetically.

I'm happy that the good lacing seems to be passing along to my offspring, the pullets that I hatched last year are showing good lacing like their mothers. So Neville must be carrying the pattern gene and contributing to the definition of lacing as well.

I'm still very in love with my birds and I cannot wait to see what I hatch this year. My friend who housed Neville for me while we were working out things with the city is doing some Blue to Blue breedings for me at his place and I hope to bring home some Black babies from him sometime this summer. I don't really see myself hatching much else besides Orpingtons this year. I have a feeling they're going to take over one day...

When breeding "blue" in North America we assume the blue is/should be laced. That's part of the APA SOP description for the color. The visual standard for blue color has usually been the very best blue Andalusians who can have the most amazing clear, rich blue and the crispest, sharpest lacing ever. Some of the Orps are approaching that same visual, especially as to ground color. Jeremy is absolutely correct that the blacks and splashes bred from blue carry the lacing pattern. We just can't see what those birds would look like if they were blue so have to go based on pedigree and what was behind them. One reason some blue breeders don't breed two or more generations without the blue existing in front of their eyes. Then they know that that great big wide splash rooster (did I just describe Neville?) comes from both ground color and lacing.

 

[aveca]

jeremy, the hen in your avatar is stunning..thanks for helping me understand a little about why i was seeing some blue with almost no lacing and some that are distinct..over the years different people wanted me to work on blue and white australorp, most recently white.. i still need a lot of work just on the blacks..the hens are rare..i do have a nice rooster but im not confident on making a white australorp..i need to feel like i really understand what im doing befor i try. ive never worked in colors, just old black..and most of the hens avail are hatchery or part hatchery stock..

 

[Renie'sPeeps]

How Exciting!!!!... A Chocolate Congrats jeremy.