ug! School requiring chicken pox vaccine... what next - flu shot? Rant

[Bluemoon420]

Yeah, I was under the assumption once you had them, you couldn't get them again. Until the doctors explained there are exceptions. Just like their explanation with shingles. Not everyone gets them.
What made my daughters case different was the vaccine which was still somewhat new then. My daughters records are clearly documented unlike mine were, so documentation wasn't an issue with her. I just felt bad she had to have them so many times. Chicken Pox was not a good experience for me, and I just didn't want her to go thru the same experience I had.

Bluemoon

 

[cassie]

It has been established both here and in Europe that vaccinations have NOTHING whatever to do with autism. Autism isn't that simple. As for chickenpox, the virus never goes away. It stays dormant in the body and can show up years later as shingles. Shingles can be very painful and are much worse than the initial chickenpox. If you ever come down with shingles you will wish that you had never had chickenpox, believe me.

 

[Msbear]

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Sorry, but it really doesn't. At all. I know there are many people who believe so, but it really does not. A board-certified neurologist can tell the difference easily; a pediatrician who has never spent time working in cities where heavy metal contamination from the environment is common (e.g. East St Louis, mining communities in Montana), might not know the difference, but neurologists and many inner-city doctors do know the difference.

The vast majority of aluminum exposure comes from air, food and water, and it is rapidly excreted via the kidneys. About a hundred times more aluminum that gets into your body, got there by foil-wrapped food and aluminum dissolved in the drinking water than by vaccines. Mercury was removed from vaccines, frankly, because people complained incessantly and for no other reason: If the choice is to risk public health because people are scared of one particular preservative or use a different preservative, then it's worth it to use a different preservative. If the entire world suddenly converted to Judaism and declared that one of the vaccine formulation components was not kosher, then they'd do whatever needed to be done to make the vaccine kosher. Is a kosher vaccine formulation inherently medically better than a non-kosher one? Of course not, but it's what people want. Heck, there's compounding pharmacies that can make any medication of your choosing cherry-flavored vs. grape-flavored, but that doesn't mean that cherry is inherently better than grape or no flavor at all.

You say that mercury was removed from vaccines just because everyone made a fuss and for no other reason but the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons has some alarming info. that says otherwise. Here's the link and a snipet "An article in the March 10, 2006 issue of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons (JPandS.org) shows that since mercury was removed from childhood vaccines, the alarming increase in reported rates of autism and other neurological disorders (NDs) in children not only stopped, but actually dropped sharply – by as much as 35%."

http://www.aapsonline.org/press/nr-03-02-2006.php

I know that if something was completely safe, there would studies to prove it and with sufficient evidence, people wouldn't be "complaining incessantly." Thank God they did. Bottom line is mercury is a neurotoxin and the FDA thought is was beneficial to reduce exposure as much as possible.

There was an old post on here somewhere ...I'll try to find it. A bycer was fighting to help her child with autistic symptoms. The diagnosis was changed to metal toxicity and she was sharing her story about what helped her child. ...natural diet, water, no high fructose corn syrup, etc. and it seemed many had or had heard of similar stories... so it does happen.

 

[JennsPeeps]

I had chicken pox as a kid. It was awful. I was miserable and I would gladly give up that memory & experience. If/When I have children of my own, they will be vaccinated.

Vaccinated protect the unvaccinated by proxy. How? When the the majority of the population is vaccinated, diseases can't get a foothold to spread. But if you tip the scales too far and don't vaccinate enough of the population, diseases will be able to infect the unvaccinated in the population. Frankly, it's a game of Russian roulette I'm not willing to play.

 

[LA~Poulet]

Also, just because they removed the mercury (a neurotoxin, just what I want in my child's bloodstream before the blood/brain barrier develops

) doesn't mean they are 'safe' even if mercury was the main problem... many vaccines replaced it with an aluminum preservative instead, which also comes with issues for ones sensitive to heavy metals.

Most states have exemptions, and even if the school tells you that your child has to have vax, they are often misinformed. I have a friend whose child ceased talking the evening after receiving vaccinations and had many other regressions. We only receive ones that my doctor and I feel absolutely necessary, and not as tiny infants. I had a bad reaction to the MMR as an infant and had a autoimmune disorder in my teens which is linked to the MMR (and was VERY painful during the time when it bothered me, thankfully I haven't had any side effects from it in years). I don't want my child to suffer the same.

Our local schools tell people that children HAVE to have vax or they cannot go to school, which is a complete lie in our state. I have several friends who just believed the nurse and continued to receive vaccinations (like CP) that they didn't want just because they didn't look into it further. Some states are more strict, I think you have to have a signed doctor's excuse in GA which can be hard to come by, and I think MA has really cracked down, but most states all you have to do is file an exemption form.

 

[LA~Poulet]

Also, the chicken pox vaccination in particular worries me because it is showing to be less and less effective-requiring more and more frequent boosters all the time, untested in the longterm.

CP is much more dangerous when acquired as an adult-I'd rather my child have it naturally and form more of a proven immunity than something iffy and contract it later with more devastating illness. Since the CP has come to be popular, shingles is increasing incredibly-probably because the collective population is getting less resistant, not more.

We look at every vaccination on a case by case basis, and for us, for most of them, the risk greatly outweighed the possible benefit... like giving a 2 day old baby the Hep-B vaccination-there is no good reason to vaccinate a newborn for an STD unless they require blood transfusions, why overwhelm their new immune system so fast?

 

[Wifezilla]

That article is from 2006. Yet there are plenty of reports showing autism rates are still on the rise. The whole Somali issue is a great example.

As much as I would LOVE to have some deep pockets to blame my son's autism on, sorry, it doesn't fit.

As for mercury toxicity, I once worked at a company that printed brochures about this for a dentist that bilked people out of millions of dollars replacing all their fillings because they were all supposedly making them sick.
Maybe knowing what a fraud this guy was makes me extra skeptical, but I am not buying it.

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/mercury.html

The vitamin D theory DOES fit in my case. I was very vitamin D deficient for YEARS because I was afraid I was going to get skin cancer. I believed the RDA of 400 IU was enough. Now I know that sun screens contain ingredients that can actually contribute to cancer, that the average female uses 4000 IU/day, and that public health advice to stay out of the sun and use sun screen is making a LOT of people sick and actually increasing cancer cases.

 

[cat]

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Well done for a common sense answer, I could not agree more. I presonally cannot understand why anyone would not vaccinate their daughter against cervical cancer, it makes no sense to me at all, but each to their own.

 

[Msbear]

And here's Dr. Sears warning about flu shots that may contain mercury. http://www.askdrsears.com/thevaccinebook/2007/09/how-to-make-sure-your-babys-flu-vaccine.asp

He says there has been studies that show these levels of mercury can be dangerous to the developing brain of a child or infant in utero and for pregnant mothers and children to not take these vaccines.

This is one of the biggest contraversies of our time because there are excellent points made by both sides and there are intelligent folks who support each side so diligently. All I want is to be able to make my own decision for my family when so much is on the line. I don't think the CDC cares for baby Wyatt as much as I do therefore I should be the one that decides what is best for him. And Im talking about informed decisions...

ETA: gardasil HELPS to prevent 4 out of the 40 strains of HPV that MAY cause cervical cancer ...OH and here's the side effects.

Common Gardasil Side Effects
Gardasil has been studied thoroughly in clinical trials, with many people having been evaluated. In these studies, side effects are always documented and compared to side effects that occur in a similar group of people not taking the medicine. Based on these studies, the most common Gardasil side effects include:

Pain in the area of the injection -- occurring in up to 83.9 percent of people
Swelling in the area of the injection -- up to 25.4 percent
Redness in the area of the injection -- up to 24.6 percent
Fever -- up to 13 percent
Nausea -- up to 6.7 percent
Dizziness -- up to 4 percent
Diarrhea -- up to 3.6 percent.

Other common side effects with Gardasil that were reported in more than 1 percent of women include, but are not limited to:

Vomiting
Cough
Toothache
General ill feeling
Joint pain
Trouble sleeping (insomnia)
Stuffy nose.
Gardasil Side Effects to Report
There are several side effects of Gardasil that you should report immediately to your healthcare provider. These include, but are not limited to:

Very high fever
Signs of an allergic reaction, including difficulty breathing, wheezing, an unusual skin rash, itching, or hives.

Rare Gardasil Side Effects
There are other Gardasil side effects that can occur. These side effects happen in very few patients taking Gardasil. For these side effects, it is difficult to tell whether the side effect is because of Gardasil or something else.


Some of these rare Gardasil side effects include, but are not limited to:

Headaches
Gastroenteritis, which is an inflammation of the stomach and intestines, usually involving vomiting or diarrhea
Appendicitis, which is an infection or inflammation of the appendix
Pelvic inflammatory disease (PID), which is an infection or inflammation in the pelvic area that can lead to infertilty and other problems
Asthma or bronchospasms (airway spasms).

So, if your daughter contracts 1 of the 4 types of 40 strains that MAY cause cancer, it would definitely be worth it. Be sure to check out that rare side effect ... infertility PID... etc.. scarey stuff. This vaccine has only been out a short time and there are even cases of death!! http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=68454
Here's the youtube video from CBS News http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfU6y6KhEOI
Yeah, why would anyone choose not to vaccinate??? They must be nuts like me

BTW: the CDC is "closely monitoring the safety of gardisil" and are reporting adverse reactions to the VAERS website (a control website that monitor adverse reactions to all vaccines) Does that mean that our daughters are the guinea pigs?

Ok, Im off my soapbox now!!! I know I cannot change anyone's mind that is already made up like mine cannot be changed... but if someone is lurking on here that hasn't made up their mind, I hope this debate can encourage them to do their own research.

Hey Wifezilla, I know you've done your research and Im sure you're packing more ammo than me Im not disagreeing with you. Im just saying the ingredients in vaccines may be to blame for all types of developmental disorders and delays by way of metal/chemical toxicity. I don't think there is enough studies to prove either side and I don't want to take the chance when I can ride the rail by way of herd immunity.

Good Luck all and may our children all be healthy and strong.

 

[ams3651]

both my kids had the shot, 18 and 6. If I could keep them from going thru the agony my friends son when thru when he got it at 15, I will do it. My cousin has them so bad as a kid, in his mouth, ears, soles of his feet, I didnt want to chance that. And although very few kids actually die from it, what if it were mine. THats just how I feel about it.