Wheaten Crele Project

[MysteryChicken]

What do you believe this chick will look like by looking at it's color?

 

[MysteryChicken]

The first grouping is a pure bred to pure bred... .anything after that is crosses. A pure bred barred rock rooster would never be 'dark' or 'black'.

Here's a good article.https://barredplymouthrock.com/content/breeding-barred-rocks

 

[ColtHandorf]

That is in the UK. Here in the United States no work has been done towards this effort. Therefore any Barred Rocks you obtain unless you're directly importing them from Britain, will not have those characteristics. Those are only obtainable when breeding a "male line" and a "female line".

 

[MysteryChicken]

That is in the UK. Here in the United States no work has been done towards this effort. Therefore any Barred Rocks you obtain unless you're directly importing them from Britain, will not have those characteristics. Those are only obtainable when breeding a "male line" and a "female line".

Doesn't mean you can't try it out.

 

[ColtHandorf]

@Mosey2003 breeds Barred Plymouth Rocks according the American Poultry Association's Standard of Perfection. He has some knowledge of the breeding practiced by breeders in the UK with male and female lines. Perhaps he can explain the concept better than I can.

Doesn't mean you can't try it out.

No, but what is the point when APA judges would clearly disqualify any birds shown that don't meet the SOP when showing? Additionally you can't just walk out to the chicken pen and wave a magic wand and in the first generation expect to see something the UK breeders have been working on for much, much longer.

 

[Frazzemrat1]

Here's a good article.https://barredplymouthrock.com/content/breeding-barred-rocks

I wouldn't call that a 'good' article, since it doesn't follow the US standard, but the UK ones.
Now I get it, I'd love to get my hands on some UK standard Araucana... But if I bred for that or actually got my hands on them, I'd out right call them 'UK Araucana'. I wouldn't call them straight 'Araucana'.
For one, I'd lose credibility by trying to pass off something that, in the US, looks like a mutt to anybody who's not familiar with either SOP. Anybody who knew what they were talking about, and knew what I was talking about would probably tell me otherwise when I told them I had araucana but my profile clearly states I'm in the US.

 

[Mosey2003]

@Mosey2003 breeds Barred Plymouth Rocks according the American Poultry Association's Standard of Perfection. He has some knowledge of the breeding practiced by breeders in the UK with male and female lines. Perhaps he can explain the concept better than I can.

No, but what is the point when APA judges would clearly disqualify any birds shown that don't meet the SOP when showing? Additionally you can't just walk out to the chicken pen and wave a magic wand and in the first generation expect to see something the UK breeders have been working on for much, much longer.

I'm a she, btw

As to the whole Barred Rock 'thing' - yes, they breed them differently in the UK, and I believe that's how they do it in Australia, too. I do know that people in Australia will typically say if they have dark barred or light barred, thus my assumption.

The rights or wrongs of the different methods are kind of murky and personal opinion, I think. Plymouth Rocks ARE an American breed. So, why do the Brits breed them differently than we do? I think they have a different or even stricter interpretation of the standard. As far as I remember, our standard doesn't specify that males and females should actually be barred differently. Do we allow it? Obviously, as it's the way we do it here. Could we breed them the same way the Brits do? I'm sure we could.

The point of using the sports (solid black birds) and light and dark barred birds is to try to have males and females that are barred the same.

I'm actually not a huge expert on it, I just know what I've read and it seems like that UK article about breeding with the sports is the first result on Google and has been for a long time, because I remember being really confused and had almost decided not to breed them at all because it's an awful lot of work maintaining four flocks just to produce some showbirds.

To the last point, if you're thinking a dark barred male or a light barred female would be disqualified, I don't think they would. I've never heard anyone talk about such, and I know I've seen pictures with both lighter and darker males being shown, so... Blacks are also accepted I do believe.

Barred Plymouth Rocks are emphatically not a sex-linked hybrid, regardless. They are a variety of a heritage American breed.

 

[ColtHandorf]

I'm a she, btw

I am sooo sorry. I'm not sure why I thought differently. My mistake. Thanks for clarifying the process.

 

[MysteryChicken]

Forget it, nobody understands what I'm saying.
Let's just stick with my project for now, please?

 

[The Moonshiner]

Dark Barred Roo X Dark Barred Hen = 25% Barred Males - 25% Barred Females - 25% Solid Black Males - 25% Solid Black Females.

No
It = 25% light barred males. 25% dark barred males. 25% barred females. 25% black females.

Barred Rock Roo X Solid Black Hen = 25% Barred Males - 25% Barred Females - 25% Solid Black Males - 25% Solid Black Females.

No
It = 50% dark barred males. 50% barred females.