Great Pyrenees Puppy Thread!

[lovedbygeese]

I'm so sorry for your loss and theirs. (my apologies, I just saw the thread today)

 

[LeafBlade12345]

Please everyone, do not bash the OP. You will get this thread locked. You cannot make assumptions that anyone is an animal hoarder because they didn't provide the proper veterinary care. The pups were not purposeful, the bitc: becoming pregnant was an accident. You do not know the entire scenario. Perhaps the OP is young and has no say in matters regarding the pups. Perhaps her and her family are in tough economical times. Perhaps they do not see taking dogs to a vet. Not everyone is like you; in many cultures, dogs are either food or a tool. They are not always pets. The OP's family may not think of a dog as an animal that should have so much money invested in it. Please be considerate before posting. Bashing the OP does nothing. Facts and advice are fine, bashing is not.

 

[Poultrybonkers]

Please everyone, do not bash the OP. You will get this thread locked. You cannot make assumptions that anyone is an animal hoarder because they didn't provide the proper veterinary care. The pups were not purposeful, the bitc: becoming pregnant was an accident. You do not know the entire scenario. Perhaps the OP is young and has no say in matters regarding the pups. Perhaps her and her family are in tough economical times. Perhaps they do not see taking dogs to a vet. Not everyone is like you; in many cultures, dogs are either food or a tool. They are not always pets. The OP's family may not think of a dog as an animal that should have so much money invested in it. Please be considerate before posting. Bashing the OP does nothing. Facts and advice are fine, bashing is not.

If they are straped for cash then the parents need to rehome a few of their animals. Instead of breeding the dog that they bred two other times and then sell sick puppies that were never seen to a vet...if they dont see dogs as pets or whatever and they plan on selling those puppies to someone that is then odds are those pups won't make good anything pets or guards...

 

[dainerra]

. The OP's family may not think of a dog as an animal that should have so much money invested in it.

when it comes to breeding, that is the attitude that gives us so many genetic diseases in our dogs.
plus, whether you see them as "pets" or livestock bred to produce money, you have to invest to get healthy dogs.

Since she has zero clue what these pups died from (plus she said that she wouldn't go to the vet because she didn't trust them not that it wasn't affordable), she needs to notify the owner of every single puppy that this female has given birth too and let them know that there is a chance that the pups could be prone to seizures.
Why? Because 1) it gives them a heads up so if they notice strange behavior in the future - not all seizures manifest in the stereotypical jerking spasms that many would recognize immediately. Some people simply notice that their dog will sometimes seem disoriented, confused or growl like they don't recognize their own family. and 2) and most importantly, since there is a chance that one of those owners wants to breed and isn't likely to be the type to health test and prove their dogs, they need to know to watch out what partner they choose since there may be genetic issues in the lines and careful selection is necessary to avoid issues with future litters they may be planning on.

Sine the bitc* has been bred before, there is no excuse about this litter being accidental. The care should have been taken before the first breeding happened. Now it's trying to shut the coop door once the chickens are out.
It's about making sure the next generation was healthy instead of just crossing your fingers and hoping for the best.

Here are just a few of the medical issues you have to check for in Great Pyrenees (and most of them you don't see signs of until the dog is older or they die unexpectedly)

Hip Dysplasia

• OFA Evaluation - OR
• PennHIP Evaluation - OR
• Federation Cynologique Internationale (FCI) - OR
• OVC Evaluation - OR
• AVA (Australian Veterinay Association) HIPS

Patellar Luxation

• OFA Evaluation
• GDC Evaluation - OR

Health Elective (One of the following tests)

• OFA Cardiac Evaluation
• OFA thyroid evaluation from an approved laboratory
• OFA Elbow Dysplasia Evaluation
• OFA evaluation based on BAER test
• OFA Shoulder OCD Evaluation
• ACVO Eye Exam - Results registered with OFA - OR
• ACVO Eye Exam - Results registered with CERF
• Canine Multifocal Retinopathy (CMR). Optigen test results registered with the OFA. First Generation Offspring of tested dogs eligible forClear By Parentage
• Genetic Screening for Glanzmann's Thrombasthenia (GT). Auburn test results registered with the OFA. First Generation Offspring of tested dogs eligible for Clear By Parentage

 

[enola]

when it comes to breeding, that is the attitude that gives us so many genetic diseases in our dogs. plus, whether you see them as "pets" or livestock bred to produce money, you have to invest to get healthy dogs. Since she has zero clue what these pups died from (plus she said that she wouldn't go to the vet because she didn't trust them not that it wasn't affordable), she needs to notify the owner of every single puppy that this female has given birth too and let them know that there is a chance that the pups could be prone to seizures. Why? Because 1) it gives them a heads up so if they notice strange behavior in the future - not all seizures manifest in the stereotypical jerking spasms that many would recognize immediately. Some people simply notice that their dog will sometimes seem disoriented, confused or growl like they don't recognize their own family. and 2) and most importantly, since there is a chance that one of those owners wants to breed and isn't likely to be the type to health test and prove their dogs, they need to know to watch out what partner they choose since there may be genetic issues in the lines and careful selection is necessary to avoid issues with future litters they may be planning on. Sine the bitc* has been bred before, there is no excuse about this litter being accidental. The care should have been taken before the first breeding happened. Now it's trying to shut the coop door once the chickens are out. It's about making sure the next generation was healthy instead of just crossing your fingers and hoping for the best. Here are just a few of the medical issues you have to check for in Great Pyrenees (and most of them you don't see signs of until the dog is older or they die unexpectedly)
Hip Dysplasia

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• OFA Evaluation - OR
• PennHIP Evaluation - OR
• Federation Cynologique Internationale (FCI) - OR
• OVC Evaluation - OR
• AVA (Australian Veterinay Association) HIPS

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Patellar Luxation

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• OFA Evaluation
• GDC Evaluation - OR

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Health Elective (One of the following tests)

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• OFA Cardiac Evaluation
• OFA thyroid evaluation from an approved laboratory
• OFA Elbow Dysplasia Evaluation
• OFA evaluation based on BAER test
• OFA Shoulder OCD Evaluation
• ACVO Eye Exam - Results registered with OFA - OR
• ACVO Eye Exam - Results registered with CERF
• Canine Multifocal Retinopathy (CMR). Optigen test results registered with the OFA. First Generation Offspring of tested dogs eligible forClear By Parentage
• Genetic Screening for Glanzmann's Thrombasthenia (GT). Auburn test results registered with the OFA. First Generation Offspring of tested dogs eligible for Clear By Parentage

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Chances are anyone that buys a puppy from a breeder that does not do these screenings/tests on breeding stock BEFORE breeding them, dos not care that the puppies may be defective. So owners of these puppies won't care that puppies from this breeding have died from seizures. And concerning vet care, if you own animals that are pets OR "livestock" if you cannot afford at least basic vet care for them, you should NOT own the animal.

 

[Bunnylady]

LISTEN please stop arguing the puppies are fine look

Some of the arguing is rather pointless, agreed, but with respect, you are missing the point of what most of the posters are talking about. A lot of the things that they are concerned about are things that you can't see, just looking at a picture of the animal (or even handling it). For example, just because a dog is walking around in the yard and not lying down screaming in pain doesn't mean it doesn't have hip or elbow issues; unless testing was done, you may not know the problem is there until it sharply shortens the dog's working life. Most dogs with hip dysplasia look fine as puppies, and even as young adults; this isn't an all-or-nothing kind of thing for most dogs. A puppy that is born with no hip joints at all would be hard to miss, though one with hips that will start popping out at a year old would look fine at a couple of months old; you'd have no idea that there was anything abnormal about the hip joints unless an x-ray was done (though if you knew that the parents had been tested and had poor results, you'd expect to see it in the puppies, since this sort of thing is inherited).

Most of the people who are posting here have the best interest of the dogs and their owners at heart. Personally, I think every breeder's goal should be to make better animals, not just more animals, but that's me.

 

[dainerra]

Chances are anyone that buys a puppy from a breeder that does not do these screenings/tests on breeding stock BEFORE breeding them, dos not care that the puppies may be defective. So owners of these puppies won't care that puppies from this breeding have died from seizures.

And concerning vet care, if you own animals that are pets OR "livestock" if you cannot afford at least basic vet care for them, you should NOT own the animal.

Agree with this 100%. And if you can't afford the extra expense of proving and testing your foundation animals, you shouldn't be breeding!

 

[dainerra]

For example, just because a dog is walking around in the yard and not lying down screaming in pain doesn't mean it doesn't have hip or elbow issues; unless testing was done, you may not know the problem is there until it sharply shortens the dog's working life. Most dogs with hip dysplasia look fine as puppies, and even as young adults

 

[LeafBlade12345]

I'm so sorry, I missed the part of the dog being bred before.

 

[Bunnylady]

Exactly. And you probably could have found a female that "looked" just as sound as that GSD that you could have innocently bred him to, and created more dogs with far worse hips if you hadn't known to have him checked.