Am I on the right path?

Just thought I'd pop in and offer a few thoughts, though you've been given some great advice already. I would definitely heed what @aart has to say, she's very sensible and knowledgable of chicken tendencies.

I do agree with others that you might want to consider an opaque roof for the run area... unless the coop location is under some big shady trees. I have a semi-transparent roof on my coop/run and I really could do with quite a bit more shade, and I don't have near the heat you have in your climate. I put up a shade cloth over part of the open yard and it seems to have helped somewhat.

Though I don't have any experience with hurricane-proof structures, I would think you'd still want as much open ventilation as possible. Will your coop have lots of windows? Chickens will spend more time in a brightly lit area, and the ability to open many windows for a cross breeze would be invaluable, especially with such a large building that can trap the heat. The only time you'd want to protect your birds from window drafts at roost height is in the bitter cold. Depending on the direction of prevailing winds, some coop designs have full HWC walls open all winter even in very cold northern climates.

The epoxy floor will provide for ease of deep cleaning and sanitizing. I plan to use the deep litter method, but like my home, I will offer it a deep clean twice a year. Obviously the chickens will be banned from the coop for the few hours needed to do a top to bottom clean.
Sanitizing the floor twice a year would be detrimental to this method. The whole point to deep litter is to let micro organisms come in and create a magical little ecosystem while also providing your birds with extra nutrients, and this takes months to get going. You only need to scoop it out once (maybe twice) a year but never remove all of it, so to jumpstart the next batch of fresh litter. The only thing with this method is apparently the floor base can start to deteriorate after about 5 years or so (but maybe the epoxy would prevent that) and it does take dedication and good understanding of how it works. Deep Litter FAQ
I use shavings in my coop (I can't achieve true deep litter) and since I have a poop tray under the roosts, the shavings remain in good shape for about a year. But I still scoop them out each summer and toss in a compost bin to finish composting and by the following spring it's all turned to beautiful garden soil.

This is what was somewhat confusing to me as different breeds, different sizes and different "info sites" seem to all say something different.
I have even been told four hens to a Roo. I don't want him to destroy them. I also don't want him to die early from intimate exhaustion with 15 - 20 hens to service. Further, I don't want them fighting with one another! I have read many times that multi flock with each having its own Roo results in little conflict as long as you have the proper ratio.
If someone knows please do clarify. Thanks!
All that depends on the rooster's attitude and breeding purpose. And all roosters are not created equal. A roo will not get exhausted servicing too many hens. He'll pick his favorites and mate them to his liking, sometimes leaving others untouched. But there's no real guarantee what he'll actually end up doing. Some roosters are gentlemen and others are real a-holes to both hens and humans. You want to make sure you have a nice tempered rooster before breeding him. A large flock with a few roosters can get along as long as there are enough hens and enough territory. Here's some articles that may give more insight (apologize if you've already read them):
Selecting Good Flock Roosters
Keeping A Rooster
Rooster Flocks


You might be better off keeping chickens for a couple years and experiencing how the flock works before starting a breeding program. The best breeders actually line breed and won't introduce new stock for several generations, if at all. It's really quite complicated, and you need to keep track of exactly who's who... blah blah... I don't know enough to advise, though I've researched quite a bit. But there's nothing wrong with barnyard mixes! And hens go broody when they feel like it, not when it's convenient for you, so having an incubator might be something to look into.

You can just as easily introduce young chicks to an existing flock without a broody mama to do it for you, it just takes a little prep. Many folks will say to wait until they're the same size as adults so they have a fighting chance in the pecking order, but that's just not the only (or best) way. I have integrated 2 sets of babies by 4 weeks old with zero issues and so have many other people. It's much less stressful for everyone involved to get babies introduced asap. The hardware cloth dividers you plan are a good idea... then at about 2-4 weeks you can make "chick doors" or passages that babies can fit through but big ones can't. This lets the chicks mingle with the flock but are able to run back to safety if necessary and eat and drink in peace. Small chicks really aren't seen as a threat to the adult's resources like bigger newcomers would be, and this lets the chicks grow and integrate with the flock practically unnoticed. My brooder is under the poop tray and I use 2 types of dividers during the integration process. The "graduate divider" with 3.5" spaces has been very effective.
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Oh, this reminds me that the removable poop boards you were considering might be waaay too large to handle, as I think someone else mentioned. My 3x3 board is almost too heavy for me to maneuver, I just leave it in place. So you might want to make access doors you can reach inside to scoop, or even try using fabric poop hammocks instead. You could even rework your design to move the brooder area under the roosts to utilize wasted space, starting the 1st roost at about 2-3' high. My brooder/integration design was inspired by many others here on BYC.
Integrating at 4 weeks old
Start Raising Your Chicks Outdoors
You Certainly Can Brood Chicks Outdoors
Coop Brooder and Integration


You may not need 16? nest boxes, that's enough for around 50-60 hens. But if your flock grows over the years you might use them... looks like you have enough outdoor space!! The boxes with eggs already laid in them will be the most appealing for others to lay in, sometimes there will be a squawking waiting line for the favorite nest even though many other boxes are available (I have an EE that gets really mad and loud if someone is in her nest box when she wants to use it). Sometimes 2 or 3 birds will even get in the same one at the same time. Go figure. I've seen other people build longer boxes to accommodate those hens that like the "community" style, while others can have their privacy in smaller boxes. Just be sure to collect eggs daily, or maybe twice daily if the eggs stack up in one place. You can also try to entice chickens to use other boxes by placing golf balls or ceramic eggs in those areas.
Well, I think that's it for now. Sorry my post was so long. :th
 
This inst a coop it's a mansion

Am I right the words r a bit blurry to me but 10 to 1 is ur ratio and ull end up with 33 birds?
And I like the 3 breeds ur going for aswell
 
Just thought I'd pop in and offer a few thoughts, though you've been given some great advice already. I would definitely heed what @aart has to say, she's very sensible and knowledgable of chicken tendencies.

I do agree with others that you might want to consider an opaque roof for the run area... unless the coop location is under some big shady trees. I have a semi-transparent roof on my coop/run and I really could do with quite a bit more shade, and I don't have near the heat you have in your climate. I put up a shade cloth over part of the open yard and it seems to have helped somewhat.

Though I don't have any experience with hurricane-proof structures, I would think you'd still want as much open ventilation as possible. Will your coop have lots of windows? Chickens will spend more time in a brightly lit area, and the ability to open many windows for a cross breeze would be invaluable, especially with such a large building that can trap the heat. The only time you'd want to protect your birds from window drafts at roost height is in the bitter cold. Depending on the direction of prevailing winds, some coop designs have full HWC walls open all winter even in very cold northern climates.


Sanitizing the floor twice a year would be detrimental to this method. The whole point to deep litter is to let micro organisms come in and create a magical little ecosystem while also providing your birds with extra nutrients, and this takes months to get going. You only need to scoop it out once (maybe twice) a year but never remove all of it, so to jumpstart the next batch of fresh litter. The only thing with this method is apparently the floor base can start to deteriorate after about 5 years or so (but maybe the epoxy would prevent that) and it does take dedication and good understanding of how it works. Deep Litter FAQ
I use shavings in my coop (I can't achieve true deep litter) and since I have a poop tray under the roosts, the shavings remain in good shape for about a year. But I still scoop them out each summer and toss in a compost bin to finish composting and by the following spring it's all turned to beautiful garden soil.


All that depends on the rooster's attitude and breeding purpose. And all roosters are not created equal. A roo will not get exhausted servicing too many hens. He'll pick his favorites and mate them to his liking, sometimes leaving others untouched. But there's no real guarantee what he'll actually end up doing. Some roosters are gentlemen and others are real a-holes to both hens and humans. You want to make sure you have a nice tempered rooster before breeding him. A large flock with a few roosters can get along as long as there are enough hens and enough territory. Here's some articles that may give more insight (apologize if you've already read them):
Selecting Good Flock Roosters
Keeping A Rooster
Rooster Flocks


You might be better off keeping chickens for a couple years and experiencing how the flock works before starting a breeding program. The best breeders actually line breed and won't introduce new stock for several generations, if at all. It's really quite complicated, and you need to keep track of exactly who's who... blah blah... I don't know enough to advise, though I've researched quite a bit. But there's nothing wrong with barnyard mixes! And hens go broody when they feel like it, not when it's convenient for you, so having an incubator might be something to look into.

You can just as easily introduce young chicks to an existing flock without a broody mama to do it for you, it just takes a little prep. Many folks will say to wait until they're the same size as adults so they have a fighting chance in the pecking order, but that's just not the only (or best) way. I have integrated 2 sets of babies by 4 weeks old with zero issues and so have many other people. It's much less stressful for everyone involved to get babies introduced asap. The hardware cloth dividers you plan are a good idea... then at about 2-4 weeks you can make "chick doors" or passages that babies can fit through but big ones can't. This lets the chicks mingle with the flock but are able to run back to safety if necessary and eat and drink in peace. Small chicks really aren't seen as a threat to the adult's resources like bigger newcomers would be, and this lets the chicks grow and integrate with the flock practically unnoticed. My brooder is under the poop tray and I use 2 types of dividers during the integration process. The "graduate divider" with 3.5" spaces has been very effective.
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Oh, this reminds me that the removable poop boards you were considering might be waaay too large to handle, as I think someone else mentioned. My 3x3 board is almost too heavy for me to maneuver, I just leave it in place. So you might want to make access doors you can reach inside to scoop, or even try using fabric poop hammocks instead. You could even rework your design to move the brooder area under the roosts to utilize wasted space, starting the 1st roost at about 2-3' high. My brooder/integration design was inspired by many others here on BYC.
Integrating at 4 weeks old
Start Raising Your Chicks Outdoors
You Certainly Can Brood Chicks Outdoors
Coop Brooder and Integration


You may not need 16? nest boxes, that's enough for around 50-60 hens. But if your flock grows over the years you might use them... looks like you have enough outdoor space!! The boxes with eggs already laid in them will be the most appealing for others to lay in, sometimes there will be a squawking waiting line for the favorite nest even though many other boxes are available (I have an EE that gets really mad and loud if someone is in her nest box when she wants to use it). Sometimes 2 or 3 birds will even get in the same one at the same time. Go figure. I've seen other people build longer boxes to accommodate those hens that like the "community" style, while others can have their privacy in smaller boxes. Just be sure to collect eggs daily, or maybe twice daily if the eggs stack up in one place. You can also try to entice chickens to use other boxes by placing golf balls or ceramic eggs in those areas.
Well, I think that's it for now. Sorry my post was so long. :th



Well Good Morning Flappy!

Yes, aart does have much invaluable information to offer and is very attentive and patient with me and other newbies, as I have noted.

I am making some changes to the coop design based on the suggestions of the some of you guys. Smaller nest boxes, smaller pop doors, smoked panels instead of clear in the covered run and I have asked if I should keep the epoxy floor or bare concrete and am awaiting thoughts..... And I plan to use pine straw as it is abundant in over 50 acres of the property. I have read this is suitable, is that correct?

I really have thought through the ventilation extensively. Having it without creating drafts and breezes, mitigating heat retention, providing ample fresh air, etc.. I honestly believe that between the raised ridge roof vent along the entire length of the roof, constant hot air out and creating a draw of fresh air in from the cooltubes, will take care of constant fresh air without draft issues. In addition to that I have 4 operational windows on the south side ( above the nest boxes ) that will be 4 foot wide by 3 foot high with hardware cloth secured to them, the sliding glass door screen will also have a latch and hardware cloth custom built screen, giving them an additional 30" x 80" screened opening, another 2 foot x 2 foot operational window opposite the 3 pop doors. Do you really think I need more?

Great idea on saving space on the brooder location, but if the hens will allow me, I would really like to visit and socialize the little hen chicks. I don't know how much of that desire is reality or wishful thinking.. haha

I know breeding will be an undertaking, but I do want to give it a go as I am getting chickens for both eggs and meat and I don't want to have to introduce new purchases and possible disease regularly. My household typically consumes 6 chickens per month, min, and a dozen eggs every three days. This doesn't include the, more than occasional, long term company. For instance, we had 5 guest for a year during a deployment rotation, 10 for 3 months for an overlapping deployment rotation and currently have 3 staying in the guest/ garage apartment that have been there for going on 6 months. So additional mouths to feed are a regular. I don't mind having mixed breed chickens for meat and the temporary eggs, but I would like to keep the original breed replenished for their temperament, egg production, likelihood to be setters and viable meats production.

If a hen goes broody can't I just give her eggs, instead of taking them for breakfast and baked goods and let her do her thing? That was my plan. Also, can't I take a few breed specific hens and a rooster and separate them into the attached pen and run and let nature takes it course? I am thinking that if it goes well great, I will be replenishing the breed in my flock, if not then I will try again another time, possibly with different hens. Is this not a viable method? I know that nothing is guaranteed, even with the most diligent of efforts.

I will have an ample run at almost a quarter acre, but on good weather days, most, I will be opening the gates and allowing them access to a 3 acre backyard and 15 acres of paddocks/pasture. I do not want them "cooped up" more than absolutely necessary. The trick will be training them to come back to the coop when called so they aren't out when the weather turns bad on a dime. Or will they do that naturally, since they will know that is home and their safe place?

Also, do you think placing my compost pile in a 2 foot deep 12 foot by 12 foot bin in the run is a good idea? I am thinking they will enjoy picking through it.

In the covered run area, should I make that floor concrete to allow them to scratch and file their own nails? Something I thought about since reading here. HA

Yes, I have also changed my poop board plan, haha. I will place thin panels that most of the time I can just scrape/scoop into a my bucket and thoroughly clean periodically.

I will be keeping the nest box numbers, as you never know what may happen that will require an increased flock and for uh.... chicken math. haha. It doesn't hurt to have more than you need does it?

Anyway, I posted all these plans now so I could make any required changes before costly mistakes or being unable to, knowing I would have to make some adjustments for the same reason I had an architect review my house plans. haha. I far from know it all.

You all have been wonderful in suggestions and chicken education and I sincerely appreciate it. I look forward to your input and suggestions. Thanks!!!
 
I know breeding will be an undertaking, but I do want to give it a go as I am getting chickens for both eggs and meat and I don't want to have to introduce new purchases and possible disease regularly.
If you really want to reproduce pure breeds, I would make separate coop sections, with runs, now. Easier now than later. Plan to build so they can be used separately or opened up. Will give you much versatility as you figure things out in the years to come.

My household typically consumes 6 chickens per month
If you need that much meat, you might work a meat bird enclosure into your plans, and buy a big fridge(for carcass resting) and a bigger freezer for long term storage. Unless you're hatching a lot, and slaughter all the males(which won't be like grocery birds) you may want to raise meat birds to fulfill that need.

If a hen goes broody can't I just give her eggs, instead of taking them for breakfast and baked goods and let her do her thing? That was my plan.
It's not quite that simple. You can't count on birds going broody. They won't always share a space hospitably. Managing broodies and hatching successfully is a whole other learning curve. Better think about an incubator if you want to reproduce your flock on your timetable.

Also, can't I take a few breed specific hens and a rooster and separate them into the attached pen and run and let nature takes it course?
You could, but then you have figure in that 4 week waiting period.

In the covered run area, should I make that floor concrete to allow them to scratch and file their own nails?
No, just scratching in the dirt should keep nails 'trimmed'....and you really don't want to deny them the 'natural' instinct of scratching, do you?

I will be keeping the nest box numbers, as you never know what may happen that will require an increased flock and for uh.... chicken math. haha. It doesn't hurt to have more than you need does it?
Chicken math takes increased space all over(coop and run) not just more nests.


You are always diligent. I am beginning to understand the respect and admiration you get here, seems it is well earned!
I bring the Reality to the Romance. Many don't appreciate that, or my delivery style(bluntly abrasive) :gig ....but thanks.
 
If you really want to reproduce pure breeds, I would make separate coop sections, with runs, now. Easier now than later. Plan to build so they can be used separately or opened up. Will give you much versatility as you figure things out in the years to come.


If you need that much meat, you might work a meat bird enclosure into your plans, and buy a big fridge(for carcass resting) and a bigger freezer for long term storage. Unless you're hatching a lot, and slaughter all the males(which won't be like grocery birds) you may want to raise meat birds to fulfill that need.

It's not quite that simple. You can't count on birds going broody. They won't always share a space hospitably. Managing broodies and hatching successfully is a whole other learning curve. Better think about an incubator if you want to reproduce your flock on your timetable.

You could, but then you have figure in that 4 week waiting period.

No, just scratching in the dirt should keep nails 'trimmed'....and you really don't want to deny them the 'natural' instinct of scratching, do you?

Chicken math takes increased space all over(coop and run) not just more nests.


I bring the Reality to the Romance. Many don't appreciate that, or my delivery style(bluntly abrasive) :gig ....but thanks.



Just so you know, I find blunt honest delivery a lot more palatable than sugar covered BS.
I had already thought that I may require a ( hate to say it this way but ) slaughters coop and run. And an extra freezer, IMO, is needed in most every home..lol

I don't mean to anticipate a hen being broody when I want, but rather, instead of collecting the eggs for me and mine, if I have a broody hen can't I just move her to the brooding nests with some of those mixed eggs?

Maybe my lack of experience isn't allowing me to communicate my intent in an effective manner?

I will most definitely heed your advise on the dirt covered run area. I had just read, in the articles section, about the need for their nails to be trimmed. I had no idea, so I wanted to ensure I provided the means for them to do that naturally.

What do you think about me placing a 2 foot deep 12' x 12' compost pile in the big run? Good idea or no? Should I place it out by the paddocks instead?

I don't mind the wait. If it takes that long, maybe I should rotate them in and out with their own roosters?

I think I have allowed for the expansion of my flock in my main coop for an increase of about half, maybe a little more. What do you think?

You input and opinion are valued.
 
Just so you know, I find blunt honest delivery a lot more palatable than sugar covered BS.
Same here.

I don't mean to anticipate a hen being broody when I want, but rather, instead of collecting the eggs for me and mine, if I have a broody hen can't I just move her to the brooding nests with some of those mixed eggs?
Moving a broody can be problematic, they get so attached to the location they choose that they may 'break' if moved. Lots of ways to manage a broody. Might want to browse this thread to learn more about broodies:
http://www.backyardchickens.com/t/496101/broody-hen-thread

I don't mind the wait. If it takes that long, maybe I should rotate them in and out with their own roosters?
But that wait period will not coincide with the 'all of a sudden' broody who needs eggs within a few days...she can't wait 4 weeks.

What do you think about me placing a 2 foot deep 12' x 12' compost pile in the big run? Good idea or no? Should I place it out by the paddocks instead?
If you want to make good garden soil by composting, I'd suggest having piles away from chickens. It can work, not sure how tho. Having rotting food scraps can create botulism that can kill chickens. Successful composting, like chickeneering, takes knowledge and management.
 

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