BYC Genetic/Breed Calculator Huge Task Ahead!

[BlackHackle]

you've been getting enough sleep?

Do I ever! I sleep like a long and plop out of bed like deflated bread

 

[nicalandia]

White legs=W+/W+Id/Idewh/ewh
Slate= W+/W+id+/id+e+/e+ carrying white
Slate= w/wid+/id+e+/e+ carrying yellow
Yellow legs=w/wId/Idewh/ewh
White legs=W+/W+Id/Idewh/ewh
Slate= W+/W+id+/id+e+/e+ carrying white
Slate= w/wid+/id+e+/e+ carrying yellow
Yellow legs=w/wId/Idewh/ewh
White legs=W+/W+Id/Idewh/ewh
Slate= W+/W+id+/id+e+/e+ carrying white
Slate= w/wid+/id+e+/e+ carrying yellow
Yellow legs=w/wId/Idewh/ewh
Or Yellow legs=w/wId/Ideb/eb
Or Yellow legs w/wId/Idey/ey
so yellow legs are ewh if base color is wheaten, like buffs and wheatens, and it is eb if the e gene is partridge.
And the ey is recessive wheaten.
Id (melanin inhibitor) allows clear yellow legs on E and ER birds.
So yellow can also be w/wId/IdER/ER! Or maybe even w/wId/IdE/E!
Willow legs=w/wid+/id+e+/e+

I appreciate your efforts on this matter, I would like to point out a few things, I would appreciate if you type the genetic nomenclature in the right way: Dominant genes will take precedence over recessive, dominant genes first letter will start with capital letter, recessive genes in lower case, the + sign means the gene is of a wild type background and currently found on Red Jungle Fowl so not a mutation of what is currently found in wild RJF. Commas and spacing, please use them to separate the allelic pair from the rest of the genetic make up, for example a red jungle fowl with slate shanks is described as. e+e+, W+/W+ id+/id+(male)

Clear White Shanks
W+/W+, Id/Id(Id/- for females) based on any e allele(E, ER, e+, eb, eWh, ey) W+/w will also display clear white shanks.

Clear Yellow Shanks
w/w, Id/Id(Id/- for females) based on any e allele(E, ER, e+, eb, eWh, ey)


Slate Shanks of any shades(as to reduce any other plumage diluting factor that will enhance or dilute it's effect but not negate it entirely)
W+/W+, id+/id+(id+/- for females) based on any e allele(E, ER, e+, eb, eWh, ey) W+/w will also display slate shanks.

Willow Shanks of any shades(as to reduce any other plumage diluting factor that will enhance or dilute it's effect but not negate it entirely)
w/w, id+/id+(id+/- for females) based on any e allele(E, ER, e+, eb, eWh, ey)

Guess what else? Barring inhibits pigment in the legs of black and birchen birds as well. Sometimes barring can dilute black pigment to white. So we don't need the Id gene! Id/Id gets thrown out the window!

The only reason Barring has any effect on shank color is because it's linked to the Id(dominant sex linked dermal inhibitor) by like about 11 map units(Centimorgan) on the long arm of chromosome Z, that means that about 90% chance of a barred bird carrying Id therefor clear shanks, but with large enough breeding one can produce B, id+ recombinants

And blue dilutes dark slate to a blue color! So everything we know about leg color gets thrown out the window! I'm so confused about this now. How will we link everything together correctly? Is there a documentation of how each gene affects melanin?

Not only blue, but dominant white will dilute the shank colors, but not so much as to negate the effect..


So I suggest to keep any Inhibitor or enhancer away from the calculator and obviate the e allele from it, just to keep it simple, W+/W+ id+/id+ will produce slate shanks(the shade is of no concern), w/w id+/id+ will producer willow shanks(the shade is of no concern).. quite simple if you ask me.

 

[BlackHackle]

SUmmer Christmasses are great!

I would like to visit those places some time. So you guys get winter in June, July, and August instead of November, December, January, February, March, April, and May (those are all northern Canada's winter months lol)

 

[BlackHackle]

I appreciate your efforts on this matter, I would like to point out a few things, I would appreciate if you type the genetic nomenclature in the right way: Dominant genes first letter will start with capital letter, recessive genes in lower case, the + sign means the gene is of a wild type background and currently found on Red Jungle Fowl so not a mutation of what is currently found in wild RJF. Commas and spacing, please use them to separate the allelic pair from the rest of the genetic make up, for example a red jungle fowl with slate shanks is described as. e+e+, W+/W+ id+/id+(male)

Clear White Shanks
W+/W+, Id/Id(Id/- for females) based on any e allele(E, ER, e+, eb, eWh, ey) W+/w will also display clear white shanks.

Clear Yellow Shanks
w/w, Id/Id(Id/- for females) based on any e allele(E, ER, e+, eb, eWh, ey)


Slate Shanks of any shades(as to reduce any other plumage diluting factor that will enhance or dilute it's effect but not negate it entirely)
W+/W+, id+/id+(id+/- for females) based on any e allele(E, ER, e+, eb, eWh, ey) W+/w will also display slate shanks.

Willow Shanks of any shades(as to reduce any other plumage diluting factor that will enhance or dilute it's effect but not negate it entirely)
w/w, id+/id+(id+/- for females) based on any e allele(E, ER, e+, eb, eWh, ey)

The only reason Barring has any effect on shank color is because it's linked to the Id(dominant sex linked dermal inhibitor) by like about 11 map units(Centimorgan) on the long arm of chromosome Z, that means that about 90% chance of a barred bird carrying Id therefor clear shanks, but with large enough breeding one can produce B, id+ recombinants


Not only blue, but dominant white will dilute the shank colors, but not so much as to negate the effect..


So I suggest to keep any Inhibitor or enhancer away from the calculator and obviate the e allele from it, just to keep it simple, W+/W+ id+/id+ will produce slate shanks(the shade is of no concern), w/w id+/id+ will producer willow shanks(the shade is of no concern).. quite simple if you ask me.

WOW! Would you like to join this calculator development? LOL!

 

[Rose Quartz]

I can't find the abbreviation for brown egg shell color. I did however find this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26240390

the brown pigment is applied through the whole shell.

 

[nicalandia]

WOW! Would you like to join this calculator development? LOL!

I would, but I am not sure I can keep up with so much posting, I had to read like three pages of posting for today

 

[lena_]

On a completely unrelated note, do you think that we should have sort of 'catch up pages' Like every fifty pages someone(Me or anyone who's willing) should do a catch up page, for any new members to the thread who want to catch up? Because I can see this becoming Kikis balut thread all over again lol.

I would like to visit those places some time. So you guys get winter in June, July, and August instead of November, December, January, February, March, April, and May (those are all northern Canada's winter months lol)

Lol, yep. We have December in Summer, which is great, but only great when it says under 30 degrees Celsius, when it goes over you just feel like dying... My family lives five minutes away from the nearest beach which is great tho. Sometimes we go down the country to see snow, but we never get any up here.

 

[nicalandia]

I can't find the abbreviation for brown egg shell color. I did however find this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26240390

the brown pigment is applied through the whole shell.

You will not find any, as the brow egg shell color is a Polygenic trait that expands multiple genes, at least two of them are sex linked

 

[BlackHackle]

I had to read like three pages of posting for today

That's me every morning LOL

 

[lena_]

Forgot to add that for the 'catch up' pages I'll edit the main post to link them.