BYC Genetic/Breed Calculator Huge Task Ahead!

[Cyprus]

are your normal flock birds standard size? maybe it is just a case of being bullied away from the food.

The personality of a cochin my sister had, was very much go sit in the corner and let the other birds peck me all the time. even separated from the flock after that, she avoided the food and water for an extended period of time.

The other birds are standards.
But these bantams are kept in their own tractor.
We have decided to go full blown cleanout with our barn.
We are building cattle panel hoops to go in the front yard to hold our layers and will move the bantams out front too.
With them out of the coop we will clean out our entire barn, spray it for mites and external parasites, treat the birds for cocci and bomb the barn with mouse poison to kill off the army of mice living there.

We are just going to try to clean the place out and get the nasties out of there.

 

[nicalandia]

That's me every morning LOL

now my very educational post that took me a few minutes to elaborate just got buried

Edit. I have to sign out for the day, tomorrow morning I will have to catch up to what it seems is going to be at least 6 pages of posting

 

[BlackHackle]

The other birds are standards.
But these bantams are kept in their own tractor.
We have decided to go full blown cleanout with our barn.
We are building cattle panel hoops to go in the front yard to hold our layers and will move the bantams out front too.
With them out of the coop we will clean out our entire barn, spray it for mites and external parasites, treat the birds for cocci and bomb the barn with mouse poison to kill off the army of mice living there.

We are just going to try to clean the place out and get the nasties out of there.

Great idea! I feel so bad for a lot of you guys living in those temps...up here where it is cold I don't get any sort of parasites. I also have guard cats to rid my pens of weasels

 

[BlackHackle]

now my very educational post that took me a few minutes to elaborate just got buried

Maybe we should move non-calculator related stuff to a Calculator chat thread?

 

[BlackHackle]

I appreciate your efforts on this matter, I would like to point out a few things, I would appreciate if you type the genetic nomenclature in the right way: Dominant genes will take precedence over recessive, dominant genes first letter will start with capital letter, recessive genes in lower case, the + sign means the gene is of a wild type background and currently found on Red Jungle Fowl so not a mutation of what is currently found in wild RJF. Commas and spacing, please use them to separate the allelic pair from the rest of the genetic make up, for example a red jungle fowl with slate shanks is described as. e+e+, W+/W+ id+/id+(male)

Clear White Shanks
W+/W+, Id/Id(Id/- for females) based on any e allele(E, ER, e+, eb, eWh, ey) W+/w will also display clear white shanks.

Clear Yellow Shanks
w/w, Id/Id(Id/- for females) based on any e allele(E, ER, e+, eb, eWh, ey)


Slate Shanks of any shades(as to reduce any other plumage diluting factor that will enhance or dilute it's effect but not negate it entirely)
W+/W+, id+/id+(id+/- for females) based on any e allele(E, ER, e+, eb, eWh, ey) W+/w will also display slate shanks.

Willow Shanks of any shades(as to reduce any other plumage diluting factor that will enhance or dilute it's effect but not negate it entirely)
w/w, id+/id+(id+/- for females) based on any e allele(E, ER, e+, eb, eWh, ey)

The only reason Barring has any effect on shank color is because it's linked to the Id(dominant sex linked dermal inhibitor) by like about 11 map units(Centimorgan) on the long arm of chromosome Z, that means that about 90% chance of a barred bird carrying Id therefor clear shanks, but with large enough breeding one can produce B, id+ recombinants


Not only blue, but dominant white will dilute the shank colors, but not so much as to negate the effect..


So I suggest to keep any Inhibitor or enhancer away from the calculator and obviate the e allele from it, just to keep it simple, W+/W+ id+/id+ will produce slate shanks(the shade is of no concern), w/w id+/id+ will producer willow shanks(the shade is of no concern).. quite simple if you ask me.

Check this out guys

 

[BlackHackle]

Edit. I have to sign out for the day, tomorrow morning I will have to catch up to what it seems is going to be at least 6 pages of posting

Yup! We are all pretty talkative people here...we're just trying to help out @Cyprus with a breeding stock death...

 

[Rose Quartz]

I appreciate your efforts on this matter, I would like to point out a few things, I would appreciate if you type the genetic nomenclature in the right way: Dominant genes will take precedence over recessive, dominant genes first letter will start with capital letter, recessive genes in lower case, the + sign means the gene is of a wild type background and currently found on Red Jungle Fowl so not a mutation of what is currently found in wild RJF. Commas and spacing, please use them to separate the allelic pair from the rest of the genetic make up, for example a red jungle fowl with slate shanks is described as. e+e+, W+/W+ id+/id+(male)

Clear White Shanks
W+/W+, Id/Id(Id/- for females) based on any e allele(E, ER, e+, eb, eWh, ey) W+/w will also display clear white shanks.

Clear Yellow Shanks
w/w, Id/Id(Id/- for females) based on any e allele(E, ER, e+, eb, eWh, ey)


Slate Shanks of any shades(as to reduce any other plumage diluting factor that will enhance or dilute it's effect but not negate it entirely)
W+/W+, id+/id+(id+/- for females) based on any e allele(E, ER, e+, eb, eWh, ey) W+/w will also display slate shanks.

Willow Shanks of any shades(as to reduce any other plumage diluting factor that will enhance or dilute it's effect but not negate it entirely)
w/w, id+/id+(id+/- for females) based on any e allele(E, ER, e+, eb, eWh, ey)

The only reason Barring has any effect on shank color is because it's linked to the Id(dominant sex linked dermal inhibitor) by like about 11 map units(Centimorgan) on the long arm of chromosome Z, that means that about 90% chance of a barred bird carrying Id therefor clear shanks, but with large enough breeding one can produce B, id+ recombinants


Not only blue, but dominant white will dilute the shank colors, but not so much as to negate the effect..


So I suggest to keep any Inhibitor or enhancer away from the calculator and obviate the e allele from it, just to keep it simple, W+/W+ id+/id+ will produce slate shanks(the shade is of no concern), w/w id+/id+ will producer willow shanks(the shade is of no concern).. quite simple if you ask me.

huh.... maybe what we can do if we are going to stay away from inhibitors and enhancers for the egg shell, is make it only for the 3 main colors and have a note that it's possible for any egg to have a pink color to it.

 

[lena_]

now my very educational post that took me a few minutes to elaborate just got buried

Edit. I have to sign out for the day, tomorrow morning I will have to catch up to what it seems is going to be at least 6 pages of posting

I'll link your post to the orignal post.

 

[Rose Quartz]

You will not find any, as the brow egg shell color is a Polygenic trait that expands multiple genes, at least two of them are sex linked

I have the names of 8 of the affecting genes. It's good to know some are sexlinked. what I have set up at the moment is just br1, br2,br3 etc up to 13, and they are adding 1 layer of light brown for each. all the same shade. I have all brown layers set to 50% opacity.

(this is is an art program I'm using just for myself at the moment though)

 

[Rose Quartz]

On a completely unrelated note, do you think that we should have sort of 'catch up pages' Like every fifty pages someone(Me or anyone who's willing) should do a catch up page, for any new members to the thread who want to catch up? Because I can see this becoming Kikis balut thread all over again lol.



Lol, yep. We have December in Summer, which is great, but only great when it says under 30 degrees Celsius, when it goes over you just feel like dying... My family lives five minutes away from the nearest beach which is great tho. Sometimes we go down the country to see snow, but we never get any up here.

I have an ideas document up to page 57 done. And I know that the actual gene deciphering and info sharing started around page 40. I'm fine with going back and doing update pages, but I think I might need a better understanding to really be able to do updates that make sense.