Cream Legbar Hybrid Thread

[nicalandia]

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then you will be breeding Legbars outside the SOP and therefore Not legbars... Punnnett used a Chilean stock of chicken that would hardly qualify as DP breed(small sized) to Leghorns.. Leghorns are Far from DP breeds they are about the Best egg layer breed today and CCL should aim at that, not meat, infact Later Dr. Pease introduce the production white Leghorns to encrease egg laying traits not meat... if you Want Meat and eggs(DP breed) and Autosexing, I would suggest you breed Rhodebars, not Legbars, if you insist you would be doing a great harm to the CCL as a breed as you would be breeding birds outside of the SOP and people now are working hard to get accepted as it is...

 

[DCchicken]

Quote: I actually disagree with you on these. I don't know why you think you are the person defining the SOP for CCL. If that is the case, as a member of the Cream Legbar Club, I will be submitting a SOP that reflects the views of Cream Legbar breeders such as myself.

So there it goes. We now have a split in the Cream Legbar Community. There will be a group of breeders that are breeding and showing dual purpose Legbars and ones that are only layers.

In case you are wondering, I am aware of other autosexing breeds as well as many other rare breeds. I currently breed Ayam Cemani, Alsteirer, American Bresse, Barnevelders, Bielefelders, Cream Legbars, Hedemora, Isbars, Birchen Marans, Sulmtalers, and Swedish Flower Hens. So I have some experience with many breeds.

 

[nicalandia]

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you are the Only one Spliting the CCL comunity, its absurd you want an excelent egg laying breed like the CCL to become a yack of all trade and Master of none, Infact I am going to take this to the SOP thread, I doubt many of any will follow your senseless path

 

[WHmarans]

I actually disagree with you on these.  I don't know why you think you are the person defining the SOP for CCL.  If that is the case, as a member of the Cream Legbar Club, I will be submitting a SOP that reflects the views of Cream Legbar breeders such as myself.

So there it goes.  We now have a split in the Cream Legbar Community.  There will be a group of breeders that are breeding and showing dual purpose Legbars and ones that are only layers.

In case you are wondering, I am aware of other autosexing breeds as well as many other rare breeds.  I currently breed Ayam Cemani, Alsteirer, American Bresse, Barnevelders, Bielefelders, Cream Legbars, Hedemora, Isbars, Birchen Marans, Sulmtalers, and Swedish Flower Hens.  So I have some experience with many breeds.

It's not just nicalandia. Except that the males have been said to be large enough to use for a reasonable amount of meat...generally everyone says this is a laying breed not dual purpose. You can still use an egg layer for meat. It doesn't make it a dual purpose breed though. I think generally breeding them larger is required to meet the draft SOP now. Because they are smaller than they're supposed to be already.

 

[DCchicken]

Quote: Not true. I work with many other breeders that have Cream Legbar. Just because a small group claims to be the authority in an online forum does not make it true in the real world. It always make me laugh when I see one small group claiming to be the controllers of the future of a breed. No on has given you that authority. You are free to breed your version of the Cream Legbar standard and I (and many other CCL breeders) will breed ours. Competition is a good thing in any market. We will let the market decide which version of the CCL is better.

 

[nicalandia]

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I agree, you can use Leghorn males for Meat but dont expect exceptional laying hens to produce large amount of meat, its just not compatible, they have long backs because they are egg layers, their entire physical structure is meant to produce large amount of eggs

 

[nicalandia]

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you can breed your own birds all you want, but they will be outsed of the SOP, you can create your own breed but as per SOP they will not be CCL

 

[WHmarans]

But I suppose anyone is free to try to get a different breed or a different SOP developed. But maybe hopefully a different name? for marketing..so as to distinguish it as the dual purpose one?

 

[DCchicken]

Quote: I don't understand why you think you get to be the one officially defining what a Cream Legbar is or is not. I guess I will have to start writing a new SOP that incorporates how other Cream Legbar breeders are actually breeding Legbars.

So we will both be breeding Cream Legbars with two different SOPs submitted for approval. One that focuses on Cream Legbars as layers and one that focuses on Cream Legbars as dual-purpose.

Until one of the two SOPs is officially accepted into the APA, both groups will be breeding Cream Legbars.

 

[enola]

One breeder deciding what personal goal to breed her chickens toward is a completely personal decision..... There are thousands of people breeding "purebred" chickens that don't meet their breed SOP.

Everyone have a happy, healthy, prosperous New Year!