Janoel Incubation Experience

[WVduckchick]

I'm ending day 7 today, so I will candle, mark air cells, and weigh my eggs tonight. Started with 14 bantam cochin, 4 d'uccle, and 5 polish. I did a quick candle yesterday and believe I have a lot of clears! Somebody's roo is not doing his job! lol I think about half the cochins and half the d'uccle are clear. Looked like 4 of 5 polish are good though. June 15th hurry up and get here! lol

 

[misfitmorgan]

Yes, welcome back Wildfire! Baby chicks are very cute, but something out those little turkeys just warms my heart!

So misfit, can you just disconnect the fan? Or are you saying you think it will overheat without the fan? But that would make me think thermostat... Whatever you determine, I think replacement parts are readily available, and fairly cheap. That reminds me, I meant to order a replacement heating element...

i thought thermosat too at first but the more i thought about it and i inspected it after having it on again last night without taking it apart....the mesh that covers the fan and element was cool to the touch but the plastic lid was starting to melt...the thermostat probe hangs below the mesh of course so i think the probe is only reading what heat gets pushed naturally inside the closed bator without a fan...so the theromostat is telling the element work harder and fasting we are not getting hot enough quick enough and we are not holding temp.....cause no fan means no hot air being circulated or very little anyhow....make sense? Not sure how well i explained it.

I'm ending day 7 today, so I will candle, mark air cells, and weigh my eggs tonight. Started with 14 bantam cochin, 4 d'uccle, and 5 polish. I did a quick candle yesterday and believe I have a lot of clears! Somebody's roo is not doing his job! lol I think about half the cochins and half the d'uccle are clear. Looked like 4 of 5 polish are good though. June 15th hurry up and get here! lol

You and me both i had 3 dozen white guinea eggs in the bator all but 9 or 10 eggs were clear and they were locally picked up.

 

[narragansett1]

where can you buy a heating element for this incubator?

 

[WVduckchick]

i thought thermosat too at first but the more i thought about it and i inspected it after having it on again last night without taking it apart....the mesh that covers the fan and element was cool to the touch but the plastic lid was starting to melt...the thermostat probe hangs below the mesh of course so i think the probe is only reading what heat gets pushed naturally inside the closed bator without a fan...so the theromostat is telling the element work harder and fasting we are not getting hot enough quick enough and we are not holding temp.....cause no fan means no hot air being circulated or very little anyhow....make sense? Not sure how well i explained it.

You and me both i had 3 dozen white guinea eggs in the bator all but 9 or 10 eggs were clear and they were locally picked up.

Yea that makes sense. And bummer on your eggs too! Wonder what's up with that? Lol

Oh by the way, you were right about my turkey! She's a "she"!! Pretty definite now that she's 10 weeks old.

where can you buy a heating element for this incubator?

I think someone said Incubator Warehouse has them?

 

[misfitmorgan]

where can you buy a heating element for this incubator?

i havnt looked yet but as Duckchick said...incubator warehouse is probly a good start.

Yea that makes sense. And bummer on your eggs too! Wonder what's up with that? Lol

Oh by the way, you were right about my turkey! She's a "she"!! Pretty definite now that she's 10 weeks old.

I think someone said Incubator Warehouse has them?

Yeah of the 9 or 10 non-clear guinea eggs....only 4 were not blood rings. 4 eggs out of 3 dozen and i cant even blame it on an incubator cause i put the eggs in two different bators. i think it was just eggs siting to long unturned as she collected, she lets them free range and only have one male guinea for like 8 hens so maybe he isnt doing his job well.....or she isnt finding the fresh eggs lol. Oh well, i'm sure i will try again.

I'm glad your turkey was a she lol.....we have our own mystery game going with a bourbon red he/she is only like 2 weeks old now though so atleast another month.

 

[Heron's Nest Farm]

Congrats Wildfire!!! Their so cute.... we need more at our house lol.


So i finally have a problem...i mean besides hatching to many eggs lol.

After almost 6 months of continuous running my janoel heating element seems to be overheating and starting to melt the plastic i moved all the eggs to the cabinet hatcher 2 days ago. I need to plug in the janoel and see if it is a problem with the thermostat, the fan, or the probe...i think it is the fan because i have not heard it turning and it does not seem to be dispersing the heat anymore.

Basically no air movement means the element is staying on at full bore almost constantly hence over heating....i also noticed the fan had gotten a bit louder about 2 weeks ago so all this leads me to believe it is simply the fan giving out which may be as simple as a melted wire. I came home Friday night to my incubator reading 38.6 i opened it fast and got the heat down but the only really hot part was the lid so again it leads me the believe its the fans. I will take apart the lid when i get home and inspect things. If all else fails i will put an aftermarket fan in as everything else is still working properly.

I think that fans burn out from dander build up. I want to encourage us all to buy a can of air and clean our fans our regularly. I have repaired the fans in my other unit and they are always struggling because of dander buildup.

Please post what success you have in finding a new parts.


Sorry I haven't been on here in so long. The farm is crazy busy! New processing kitchen going in, 130 chicks I'm growing our, organic certification, and everything in the greenhouse has to make it into the field. God news is that come July the farm goes into a grow mode on drip. YAY!

I'm only hatching through june and breaking until October. I now incubate in farm innovators bator and hatch in the Janoel. I find the thermostat and humidity are easier to control than any other unit and my hatches are at almost 100%!!!!! I may be buying a few more so I can hatch in these exclusively come next spring and getting a cabinet for incubating.

 

[misfitmorgan]

I think that fans burn out from dander build up. I want to encourage us all to buy a can of air and clean our fans our regularly. I have repaired the fans in my other unit and they are always struggling because of dander buildup.

Please post what success you have in finding a new parts.


Sorry I haven't been on here in so long. The farm is crazy busy! New processing kitchen going in, 130 chicks I'm growing our, organic certification, and everything in the greenhouse has to make it into the field. God news is that come July the farm goes into a grow mode on drip. YAY!

I'm only hatching through june and breaking until October. I now incubate in farm innovators bator and hatch in the Janoel. I find the thermostat and humidity are easier to control than any other unit and my hatches are at almost 100%!!!!! I may be buying a few more so I can hatch in these exclusively come next spring and getting a cabinet for incubating.

Crazy busy here too....my fan wasnt from dander build up i dont hatch in the janoel...i incubate in it and 2 other table top incubators and then hatch in a cabinet bator normally, because i have staggered hatches. I ordered buff laced polish, Silver laced polish and crele polish...so after they hatch and i can get some golden laced polish hatched then i will be done for the year so long as my hatch the next few days goes well, i have white crested blue in two hatched so far one white crested black and 1 white crested blue. We are also suppose to be going to discuss the details of the farm we are buying, tomorrow so i'm excited about that! Hope everything is going good for everyone else!!

For parts i only place i could find is a guy in aussie and the fan itself is $55 thru him plus shipping to the US...i can buy a new janoel for $104 so i think i am just gonna buy another and keep the old one for spare parts but put the turner and motor in the cabinet bator....or use my turner and motor and the base off my old bator and make myself a double stack janoel8-96 lol, we shall see.

 

[Farmer Trish]

Hi - we have just bought a Janoel 8-48 Incubator and set our first batch of 16 eggs - however w're not happy with the result. Only 50% hatched and as 'dorpersheep' mentioned those that did hatch were quite wet and took over 24 hrs to fluff up. I had it on about 45% humidity until lockdown then at least 65%. We also had a lot of problems with the alarm going off for the temperature after they started hatching - has anyone had this experience? We set the temp at the recommended 37.6 degrees (from the instructions) and didn't open the lid while hatching. The only thing I could think of was maybe e chicks running around were bumping into the sensor inside??? What we're most concerned about is the low hatch rate. - any ideas?? (They were all fertilised by the way).

 

[WVduckchick]

Hi - we have just bought a Janoel 8-48 Incubator and set our first batch of 16 eggs - however w're not happy with the result. Only 50% hatched and as 'dorpersheep' mentioned those that did hatch were quite wet and took over 24 hrs to fluff up. I had it on about 45% humidity until lockdown then at least 65%. We also had a lot of problems with the alarm going off for the temperature after they started hatching - has anyone had this experience? We set the temp at the recommended 37.6 degrees (from the instructions) and didn't open the lid while hatching. The only thing I could think of was maybe e chicks running around were bumping into the sensor inside??? What we're most concerned about is the low hatch rate. - any ideas?? (They were all fertilised by the way).

My thoughts... #1 - do NOT trust the gages on the unit. Buy more thermometers and hygrometers and test them for accuracy before you use them. I recommend a Brinsea Spot Check thermometer, but cheaper ones are available and will work....

I'm almost finished with a hatch. My last hatch was much better than this one because I started having temperature issues this time. I think the controller is going out. But anyway... 37.6 is the recommended temp because that's the "average" that you want to achieve. If you watch the display, you see that it goes "up" to that, but then goes down. So the average can never be 37.6. I'm using 38.1-38.2 as the set temp, and that seems to keep the average more stable. Wet babies suggest too much humidity and likely too low temps.
Sorry that I don't have time to get into more right now, but others should also have suggestions. But I would start with testing the actual temps and humidity in an empty bator. (Some folks add bottles of water, or rocks, or something to take up "egg" space...)

 

[Heron's Nest Farm]

I do not trust the gauges on mine. I have used a drop in Hygrometer and found that I incubate best at 37.3. But other folks need theirs higher.

I had several of my first batch I hatched drown from the humidity toooo high. I have now switched to adding no water except a 1/4 cup every 7 days for the first 18. I then fill 1 channel for hatching at day 19 and my unit tells me I am at 57% humidity. My little drop in hygrometer says it's at 70%. After 9 hatches in the Janoel my numbers are finally up to 80%. Still not what I want, but I believe it is a nutritional deficiency as some of my hens are old and I am quitting hatching from them and moving into my new breeders.

Make sure to blow your fan out after every use.

Good luck and please let us know what successes you have had.