Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

Just thought this photo was cool and that I would share it. Lil' Bill and one of the BC ladies he is in with.

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Vicki~ I am very glad that your back is feeling better.
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I can't remember which thread I saw the request for the Black Copper Standards in...so I am going to post it here for the original poster that asked for it and hope they find it.

This is the copy that I have so if it is outdated or wrong I hope someone else comes along and fixes it.

Color Standard for
Black Copper (Brown Red) Marans




Color of Male

Disqualifications:
Brown triangular wing bay. Golden or Straw colored hackles.

The cock:
The Ideal specimen will represent a color balance of Black and Copper. The cock must be Black with Copper finery, the hackles and the small of the back are Copper colored, with a Black or slightly reddish-brown marked breast.

Comb, Face, Wattles and Earlobes: Bright red.
Beak: Dark Horn.
Eyes: Reddish Bay.
Shanks and Toes: Dark Slate, bottom of feet pinkish white.
Head: Deep Strong Red Copper color.
Neck:
Hackle: Deep Copper color (mid-coppery to red-coppery, but not golden or straw colored).
Front of neck: Black with narrow lacing of Deep Copper.
Back:
Back: Lustrous Deep Copper.
Saddle: Deep Copper color matching the hackle.
Tail:
Main Tail: Black with slight luster.
Sickles and Coverts: Lustrous black with glints of beetle Green.
Wings:
Shoulders: Mahogany Red color.
Bows: Lustrous Deep Copper to match back.
Coverts: Lustrous black forming a black armband.
Primaries: Black.
Secondaries: Black (exposed portion forms a lustrous Black Triangular wing bay).
Breast: Black or with slightly Copper marks.
Body and Stern: Black.
Legs & Lower Thighs: Black.
Shank and Toe Feathering: Black.
Ear Down: Brown.


Color of Female

Disqualifications:
Brown spotting on the body.

The Hen:
The hen must be black with a copper hackle.

Comb, Face, Wattles and Earlobes: Bright red.
Beak: Dark horn.
Eyes: Reddish bay.
Shanks and Toes: Dark Slate, bottom of feet pinkish white.
Head: Copper (varying from mid-copper to red-copper).
Neck:
Hackle: Copper with a black-colored tip (spreading out almost down to the breast).
Front of neck: Copper.
Back: Black.
Tail: Black.
Wings: Black.
Breast: Black.
Body and Stern: Black.
Legs & Lower Thighs: Black.
Shank and Toe Feathering: Black.
Ear Down: Black.




And just for giggles here is the General Standard for Marans.

APA Standard


Standard of the Marans


Disqualifications:
Yellow on shanks or toes. White ear lobes. Feathers on middle or inner toes.

Standard Weights (approved 6/11/10)
Cock….…..8 lbs Hen……6 1/2 lbs
Cockerel….7lbs Pullet…..5 1/2 lbs

Shape—Male (approved 6/11/10)

COMB: Single, moderately large, straight, upright, evenly serrated with five points; the blade not touching the neck.
BEAK: Long, stout and well curved.
FACE: Smooth, skin fine and soft in texture.
EYES: Large and prominent.
WATTLES: Medium in size, oval, skin fine in texture.
EAR-LOBES: Average in size, long.
HEAD: Moderate in size, slightly flattened on top, and long.
NECK: Moderately long and full, arched. Hackle abundant, flowing well over the shoulders.
BACK: Wide at the shoulders, long, flat, slightly tilted to the rear. Slightly more inclined than that of the female.
Saddle feathers -- abundant, saddle large and slightly raised.
TAIL: Full, rather short, carried at an angle of 45 degrees above horizontal.
Main tail feathers -- broad and overlapping, shorter than average.
Sickles -- shorter than average.
WINGS: Short, held close to the body, carriage nearly horizontal.
Primaries and secondaries: broad and overlapping in natural order when wing is folded.
BREAST: Strong, broad, and full. Well rounded when viewed from both the front and side.
BODY AND FLUFF: Body -- deep, long and broad, especially through the shoulders which are carried high. Overall, rectangular in shape.
Fluff -- medium in length.
LEGS and TOES: Legs set well apart and straight when viewed from the front.
Lower thighs -- strong and well feathered.
Shanks -- medium length, stout, and straight; lightly feathered down the outer sides.
Toes -- four long and well-separated toes on each foot. Outer toes lightly feathered, middle toes free from feathers.
PLUMAGE: Moderately tight and smooth textured.

Shape—Female (approved 7/09/10)


COMB: Single, smaller than that of the male; straight and upright, evenly serrated with five points, and fine in texture. No female in or near production with the rear portion of the comb lopped should be discriminated against.
BEAK: Long, stout and well curved.
FACE: Smooth, skin fine and soft in texture.
EYES: Large and prominent.
WATTLES: Medium in size, oval.
EAR-LOBES: Average in size, long.
HEAD: Moderate in size, slightly flattened on top, and long.
BACK: Wide at the shoulders, long, flat, and slightly tilted to the rear. Slightly less inclined that that of the male.
NECK: Moderately long and full, arched.
TAIL: Full, rather short, carried at an angle of 45 degrees above horizontal.
Main tail feathers -- broad and overlapping, shorter than average.
WINGS: Short, held close to the body, carriage nearly horizontal.
Primaries and secondaries: broad and overlapping in natural order when wing is folded.
BREAST: Strong, broad, and full. Well rounded when viewed from both the front and side.
BODY AND FLUFF: Body -- deep, long and broad, especially through the shoulders which are carried high. Should be more rounded than the male.
Fluff -- medium in length.
LEGS AND TOES: Legs set well apart, straight when viewed from the front.
Lower Thighs -- strong and well feathered.
Shanks -- medium length, stout, and straight; lightly feathered down the outer sides.
Toes -- four long and well-separated toes on each foot. Outer toes lightly feathered, middle toes free from feathers..
PLUMAGE: Moderately tight and smooth textured.
 
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Thanks Kim! I can't even tell you how much better I already feel even tho I am not 100% yet and still get worn out faster than I usually do. I'm still being careful but I feel more like myself everyday!

I love that photo by the way!!
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That cockerel you posted pics of while I was out doing chores does indeed have very light hackles. I don't think I'd honestly keep him because to me, from what I've seen doesn't compare with Lil' Bill. Do you get anything in your gut telling you to hang onto him even if you might not know why? I usually listen to that nagging feeling and even if the bird doesn't end up panning out...I feel I learn something from it. I just don't see his hackles getting any darker on ya. But....i do have a curiosity about him....do you have any other photos of him? and do you think you could get a closer pic of the hackles?
 
Kim, There have been a few changes on the BC standard since yours was posted. There appears to be an argument as to what the standard actually was supposed to say.

Walt, referred to something to do with Dickerson saying the standard was not wrote up as intended. Maybe Walt will come by and comment.
 
Closer photo of his hackle coming right up....

I have some other photos of him but they turned out fuzzy. Was going to go out here in a minute or 2 and get more of him. Nothing in my gut tells me to keep him. Curiousity is the only reason he is still around just like the other one.


Yah..nothing compares to looking at Bill or Lil' Bill. I have to put up a photo of both together so you can see what it is like to look at one you likes and then look at the other you don't likes.

Be back in a few.
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Are you able to just keep these 2 and have them take care of the group you are working with until you hatch again to see if you get closer to what you are looking for? The poultry leader that helps us out has told us that if the ones you hatch out aren't better than the parent stock don't keep them- now maybe she was similifying this for us
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Are you able to just keep these 2 and have them take care of the group you are working with until you hatch again to see if you get closer to what you are looking for? The poultry leader that helps us out has told us that if the ones you hatch out aren't better than the parent stock don't keep them- now maybe she was similifying this for us
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That's pretty much exactly how I go by doing things with my stock. I figure unless the offspring have something about them that will bring an improvement to my line of birds, they don't stay here.
 
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Thanks Don! I will look for updated info and will re-post what I can find.
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BTW: Did you get my PM?
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alrighty...sounds good. I'll be around for a bit longer before I have to head to work to help cover a shift. Its gonna end up being a long run...By friday of this coming week I will have had 1 day off in 13 days. yay
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Hens~

Keep the 2 cockerels that I wanted opinions on? I have no need to keep them, I have Bill and Lil' Bill in with the females right now. Gnarles holding out in the bachelor pad for a rainy day.

I have kept the light blue one this long because he is a pure Davis bird that I liked for these original reasons, he has a nice comb (no sprigs or carnation), good size, slightly shorter back vs. Gnarles longer back (the shorter back being better in this case IMO, better than Gnarles' anyway)nicely feathered shanks and started out with good copper color coming in until the lower hackles started changing. O' heck, I bet he even ends up with correct eye color too, but just the hackle alone scares me. If it weren't for the hackle, this would have normally been a bird I would have watched to full maturity. So in retrospect, I guess I was hoping that he would have turned out better than his father, but that isn't happening.

The darker Blue one is also fathered by Gnarles, but has better hackle color, not enough everywhere else, IMO too long of back and that funky 2 tones of color in the eye thing going on, and again, a nicer comb than Gnarles, not to mention the Bill chest thing. I didn't think this guy was ever going to get any copper. The hackles were as dark as the shoulders and saddles until about 6 weeks ago.

They had some features that were better than their parents but is looking like not enough.

But...I have more eggs in lockdown to hopefully choose from.
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