Pendulous crop?

[micstrachan]

Might I suggest mixing the yogurt with some of her feed? It’s definitely less messy that way, and my girls love it!

Good idea! I’ll try that!

 

[micstrachan]

@micstrachan , you are doing an amazing job! I sure hope your girl pulls through. It seems like she's improved immensely due to your efforts. I compared your first post to these latest updates, and the difference in her condition (and your level of concern) is marked.

Aww, thanks. I haven’t been perfect, but I’m doing my best. Ruby’s behavior has actually been pretty good most of the time, but I really don’t want to let her down.

 

[TwoCrows]

Sounds like you are doing the best you can. Yeast infections can be quite difficult to treat and just as in humans, can take months of treatment depending on how long they've been attacking the body. However I have found that very serious cases that don't respond to treatment have something more serious going on in the body, some other issue that is fueling the yeast infection like Liver disease or reproductive troubles or cancers. On the Liver disease, a bird does not have to be fat or old to suffer from this, many times Liver disease is genetic and can start to layer fat on the liver tissues at 8 months old, even on a very healthy diet.

 

[azygous]

Liver disease when you're the skinniest person in the county is definitely something I understand. Just recently found out mine is abnormal and enlarged. Hopefully, it returns to normal now that things have been corrected in the plumbing region.

I've had hens in the past with chronic sour crop. They all had the swelling in the abdominal area and it was obvious they had other issues of which the sour crop was only a symptom. Eventually, I needed to euthanize those individuals.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

Liver disease when you're the skinniest person in the county is definitely something I understand. Just recently found out mine is abnormal and enlarged. Hopefully, it returns to normal now that things have been corrected in the plumbing region.

I've had hens in the past with chronic sour crop. They all had the swelling in the abdominal area and it was obvious they had other issues of which the sour crop was only a symptom. Eventually, I needed to euthanize those individuals.

Carol I hope you get to feeling better soon.

 

[TwoCrows]

@azygous oh gosh, I am so sorry! Health issues sure are no fun.

@micstrachan Birds with heart disease can also have a lot of yeast infections. The heart lies right behind the crop and any enlargement of the heart will slow the crop down. I have dealt with a few birds with an enlarged heart. Yeast infections where the first signs. The infections become chronic, months later the birds developed heart failure and all had eventual strokes. There are so many reasons for yeast infections and the chronic ones that don't respond are the most difficult to work with, diagnose and make decisions on their lives.

 

[micstrachan]

Thanks, ladies. @azygous, I hope you are feeling ok.

But guess what?

HOUSTON, WE HAVE AN EMPTY CROP THIS MORNING!

Doing the happy dance here. Dosed Ruby first thing, let her run around for a couple minutes, then put her in jail. I need two mornings of empty crop before she can be back in the main run, right? How long should I continue to treat? Ruby is hungry, which I think is good!

 

[TwoCrows]

Thanks, ladies. @azygous, I hope you are feeling ok.

But guess what?

HOUSTON, WE HAVE AN EMPTY CROP THIS MORNING!

Doing the happy dance here. Dosed Ruby first thing, let her run around for a couple minutes, then put her in jail. I need two mornings of empty crop before she can be back in the main run, right? How long should I continue to treat? Ruby is hungry, which I think is good!

Yay!!!!!

You need to continue with anti yeast meds about 5 to 7 days past an empty crop. Like antibiotics, you don't want the yeast to become immune to the meds. Then get her on lots of probiotics and I would keep her on daily probiotics for several weeks or more. I wouldn't let her free range for a few days yet, make sure the crop stays empty. She can hang out in the run though. And get her started back on regular food too.

Fabulous!

 

[micstrachan]

Yay!!!!!

You need to continue with anti yeast meds about 5 to 7 days past an empty crop. Like antibiotics, you don't want the yeast to become immune to the meds. Then get her on lots of probiotics and I would keep her on daily probiotics for several weeks or more. I wouldn't let her free range for a few days yet, make sure the crop stays empty. She can hang out in the run though. And get her started back on regular food too.

Fabulous!

So don’t start the probiotics until after yeast meds, right? I had put out probiotic water in the morning, but then swapped it out with fresh water at lunch.

Ruby’s crop was small at lunch, though it appeared she had eaten her kale and some feed. She was very happy to be out in the main run (let her out at lunch.) She likes to eat stuff off the ground, though, so if there is anything at all in her crop in the morning, she’s going back to jail.

 

[TwoCrows]

So don’t start the probiotics until after yeast meds, right? I had out out probiotic water in the morning, but then swapped it out with fresh water at lunch.

Ruby’s crop was small at lunch, though it appeared she had eaten her kale and some feed. She was very happy to be put in the main run (let her out at lunch.) She likes to eat stuff off the ground, though, so if there is anything g at all in her crop in the morning, she’s going back to jail.

You can give probiotcs now but definitely offer them up after and for a few weeks. Yeast infections thrive in environments that lack good bacteria. These meds kill off good digestive yeasts and no doubt there is lingering bad yeasts hanging around throughout her entire digestive tract. Bad Yeasts have a way of going dormant in the intestines, waiting to pounce on a weak immune system. So pump it up for a few weeks to get her health back.