SCHOOL -- 1957 vs. 2011

[Amigo]

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First of all, not true. Secondly, we don't all subscribe to the same set of beliefs, playing the victim card because you aren't allowed to preach yours to those who don't want to hear it won't get you much sympathy.

What you just said makes no sence. Afterall, ever since God was takin out of public schools, there has been a growing number of crimes, and a HUGE moral decline!

 

[ChickenAlgebra]

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First of all, not true. Secondly, we don't all subscribe to the same set of beliefs, playing the victim card because you aren't allowed to preach yours to those who don't want to hear it won't get you much sympathy.

What you just said makes no sence. Afterall, ever since God was takin out of public schools, there has been a growing number of crimes, and a HUGE moral decline!

I had moral IMPROVEMENT once I threw the Christian values I was subjected to in the trash. I also lead a crime-free life, which the beasts, who were Christian and loved in their church, could not say.

ANY religion does not fix everything. The problem with any religion, be it Christian, Islam, Wiccan, or anything else, is that the extremists take over and ruin it for their version.

And I consider any Christian who wants to bash any other belief to be an extreme member who I can not trust.

 

[cupman]

I sincerely hope you don't believe any of that nonsense. To suggest a correlation between crime and lack of god in school is just silly. To suggest that religion and morality are tied together is also wrong.

 

[Amigo]

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Well, actually no.

 

[ChickenAlgebra]

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Well, actually no.

I know PLENTY of devout Christians who show no apparent morals.

I know plenty of non-religious people who show good morals.

There is no connection between the two.

 

[Amigo]

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Well, actually no.

I know PLENTY of devout Christians who show no apparent morals.

Then they are not devout.

What do you define as morals?

 

[Orchid]

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First of all, not true. Secondly, we don't all subscribe to the same set of beliefs, playing the victim card because you aren't allowed to preach yours to those who don't want to hear it won't get you much sympathy.

What you just said makes no sence. Afterall, ever since God was takin out of public schools, there has been a growing number of crimes, and a HUGE moral decline!

Actually, if you look up the statistics, violent crime is on the decline.

 

[Ferrret]

I'll offer some actual incidents from my high school.

A male student came to school forgetting he had left his BB gun in his truck, clearly visible in the window. A student reports that a there is a truck with a gun in it and knows the school policy bars bringing firearms on campus. The school calls the police, according to procedure, they identify the male student as the owner of the truck, question him and he is ultimately handed a 2 day suspension for violating school code.

A male student, in a crowded hallway, shouts loudly that another male student has a gun in his coat. Teachers calmly put students in their classrooms, the accused student is taken aside into a counselors room and left under supervision until the police are called. The police question him, find that he does not have a gun, the accuser is given a suspension from school for causing a disruption within the school.

A bored student leaves a note in a restroom that contains the threat of a bomb being in the building. Students are escorted out of the school to a safe zone, police are called in with bomb sniffing dogs, they spend 2 hours searching the school, wasting thousands of dollars and an entire school day. They do an investigation to find the student that made the threat, they are expelled from school and charged with a felony offense.

The school is locked down after a report that there are illegal drugs on campus. Students aren't allowed to leave study hall while drug sniffing dogs are brought through to search the building. Drugs found were a collective 4 oz. of pot from several lockers and 100 ecstasy pills in one locker alone. The students with pot go uncharged, the student with the ecstasy misses 2 days of school. The student with the ecstasy is also caught 4 times drunk driving, once the day before graduation, countless times in possession of alcohol and is never punished for it.

A small group of students gather during lunch every day, join hands and quietly pray before their meal. They never demand other students to join, they are never loud or disruptive so no action is deemed necessary.

During Christmas celebrations, the 2 Jewish students are asked if they would like to celebrate Hanukkah in the classroom as well. They turn down the gesture seeing no need for it, enjoying and participating in the Christmas celebrations instead.

During English classes, there are occasional offensive terms in the reading material. Teachers stop the class to explain that while those terms were common place and fine to use when the material was written, the terms are no longer okay to use in regular society. The class moves along to read the material and discuss the story itself rather than banning the books entirely.

A female student is harassed on a daily basis by a male student. He touches her inappropriately, makes rude comments and even causes her injury. She reports his actions, shows the bruise he left on her during school hours, but no action is taken to resolve the matter. She spends her lunch hours and free time hiding from him to avoid further harassment.

Students with dyslexia, Autism, and other disruptive behavior issues such as severe ADD/ADHD, are placed into smaller class groups, taught at a slightly slower pace and have aides on hand to help them understand the material they are learning. They graduate on time, passing all required classes and retain the knowledge they gained. Students that are above the regular class standards are offered more challenging classes set at a college level.


The thing is, schools all operate differently. A small town school isn't going to have the same reactions as a larger city school. A school with a majority of students that are white, Christian and middle class won't have the same policies or issues that a school with a student body from a wide range of backgrounds, from impoverished to wealthy, white, black, latino, asian, and from all religions. A school in an area with little crime and violence isn't going to react the same way to a gun or instance of violence on campus as a school in a city with high crime and violence.

 

[manybirds]

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There is a kid with.... what is it....... i cant remember what it is...... but he has it severly bad, he drools and is slower than other kids, has seizures things like that. our town has a small school district. He is in with the rest of the class and learns just fine with everybody and I think he has some extra periods of time alone with a teacher to learn better and does just fine. Like u said i think it just depends on the school district.

 

[I have WHAT in my yard?]

I hate to repeat myself but:

Societies swing like pendulums. Sanity is in the balance. The pendulum goes too far in one direction then too far the other way. There will ALWAYS be government going too far and government not going far enough.

Schools frequently make mistakes. They are made up of people who are often a mix of "professionals" and volunteers like school board members and PTOs. If YOUR school is doing something you don't like YOU join the PTO. The whole lot of people who complain about schools need to get off the computer and attend a PTO meeting. Quit blaming other people. Quit blaming the "government" which is an all-purpose word people don't even understand half the time. Look in the mirror.

This is your country. It has an awesome system BUT it only works if the people remain educated and involved.

Two years ago my non-christian daughter was cornered by some christian girls trying to save her soul by baptizing her against her will. The school stepped in a prevented the bullying and affirming my daughter's right to believe whatever she wishes to believe. This past year same daughter stands up to bullies to defend a mormon child who was being bullied for being different. You know what she said? She told them they were not behaving in a very Christ-like manner.

Freedom means freedom to worship as you wish. It also means freedom from other people telling you what and how to worship.

The whole lot of you need to g read the book The Way We Never Were about how the US has sanitized and romanticized the 50s into being something it was not......​