Stupid Neighbors Pit Bull (update 2nd neighbors dog attacked person)

[Zookeeper9000]

Well said Guitartist, doesn't matter if that dog is a pit a poodle or what it is. There are some nice pits out there. This thread is not about them they are about the 2 neighbors who own aggressive pits next door to our fellow member. This is not every pit.

My prayers go out to that neighbor hood as they are going to need it in the next few weeks. Recovery for injuries like this take years to recover from. I am sure this is a neighbor hood that will pull together for this beloved lady who has been there for all of them. She will worry about the things she won't have the strength to get done. Like yard work and house cleaning, at the same time if she doesn't keep busy then she will give up. Broken bones in the elderly is usally their downfall they go down hill fast. Praying that Mrs. White has the strengh to recover both in body and in soul.

 

[Portia]

Unfortunately there are some types of dogs that have been bred for years to highlight their more aggressive traits, but have been tempered by purposeful uses such as guarding and hunting larger game. This is not to say that these are dangerous dogs, but are more susceptible to acting on instinct or having that instinct highlighted when they are not properly bred, cared for or trained. This becomes problematic when these dogs are allowed to interact unchecked in human populations; left to their own devices in the wilds they would most likely breed prolifically because of their ability to endure. Still it is a clash of many things, but most notably in cases such as this rearing (or neglect there of) by humans. Again, unfortunately, a dog like this should be put down to negate perpetuation of the problem and the bloodline (chances are probably very good that this dog has not been fixed). It is sad that certain breeds are sought out by certain peoples with less than noble intentions and less than laudible responsiblity for caring for their canine companions. Our nearby human societies in urban areas are over run with stafforshire terriers and their mixes; this is only because they were brought into the area by humans who frequenlty wanted a good guard dog in the city. But training a guard dog is something that must be taken seriously and not half-done or else just a mean and often dangerous dog results. It is human downfall here, folks, and other humans suffer from the negect of others. Try not to condone the breed, as they are honestly innocents in this fad; much as rotweilers, dobermans, shar pei, shepards, and other guard breeds have been. It is a sad state of affairs that occurs when only certain characteristics of a breed are marketed and bred. It is the innocent victims that pay, including the dog who does not know better. They are canine, lest we not forget, and succeptible to the type of treatment they receive from their human counterparts joined with their natural tendencies. As much as I hate to cull, unless someone steps forth to offer rehabilitation and a good home for these animals this is what will (must?) be done to prevent recurrance.
....<hopping down off soapbox with an exhasperated sigh>
BTW, my symphathies go out to all victims here...who frequently never fully psychologically recover from these incidents. May strength and healing be with them.

 

[greyhorsewoman]

Pit Bulls are a breed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Terrier Then there are upteen homebred, pitbull crosses. The breed was developed to lower its natural 'selfpreservation' instinct. Most dogs, when hit with a shovel, or stick, or foot ... will back off, that same action can actually insight a pit bull.

Pit Bulls are 'high damage' attack animals. Get bit by a Collie and it will probably be a nip, may not even break the skin ... they were bred to herd sheep and sheep have very fragile skin ... they needed to move their charges without damage. Get bit by a Labrador Retriever and you may only see tooth marks ... they were bred to have 'soft mouths' for retrieving dead birds with minimal damage.

Can Pit Bulls be good pets, yes. But, unfortunately, too often, the type of person that covets that breed of animal is unstable, irresponsible and plain uncaring about the consequences of not handling it properly. Since you can't make a law saying certain people can't own certain animals, a poor substitute is outlawing the breed.

That said, nobody should have to tolerate any loose dogs in their neighborhood or on their property. I don't care HOW rural you are. We had neighbor dogs (just youngster too) maul a couple of our goats 'in play.' No excuse. The dogs deserve to be protected as well, from being hit by a car or poisoned or whatever.

 

[SpottedCrow]

Oh My Goddess, Talos!!!

Definitely prayers for Mrs. White...

I've read of an older lady being bitten by her chow because it got it's toenail caught in her sweater.
I've just spent some time researching dogbites and this is a darned good site/blog/whathaveyou...
http://canineaggression.blogspot.com/

This is the most apropos part of it...

Karen Delise, author of Fatal Dog Attacks and The Pit Bull Placebo (www.canineresearchcouncil.com) uses a pair of terms that I also use, gladly crediting her for their development. She makes the distinction between a family dog and a resident dog. A family dog is just what it sounds like; a dog that is an intrinsic part of a human family. This dog hangs out with the kids, rides in the car, eats under the table, sleeps in someone’s bed, sneaks shoes out of the closet, and saves Timmy from the well. This is the dog that most of us who are dog people have under our foot as we read or write blogs.

A resident dog, on the other hand, is what we see far too often. The dogs are tossed in the back yard, or worse tied or chained out, and never integrate with the family. They are usually poorly socialized, have little to no training, have food tossed to them pretty regularly, may see a Vet once every year or so, and are only peripherally part of any human-canine social grouping. Perhaps the owners meant for them to be family dogs, but time got away from them. Or they were supposed to be the “kids’ dog” and the kids lost interest. Maybe they had behavioral problems that led to their exile – or maybe their exile has caused the bad behavior. Either way, they have become a sad reflection of what they could be.

And they, the resident dogs, are by far the largest group of dogs involved in fatal human attacks.

The things that I've been reading make your hair stand on end...
"pits" rotties are more likely to have fatal dogbites because of their jaw strength...It's like comparing an alligator to a leopard gecko...
But ANY unsocialized dog can bite...​

 

[SundownWaterfowl]

There are many stupid people out there that get powerful breeds (Pit bulls, Rotties, Akitas, etc) that they cant control. Then you have the people who are out to make a fast buck, who breed these pit bulls, who dont have good behavioral traits, and this is why there are so many aggressive dogs out there.

I read that the Golden Retriever used to be the one dog that you could buy without worrying about their behavior or personality, but now, since there are so many backyard breeders out their breeding Golden Retrievers just to make a buck, that now dog trainers are seeing more and more aggressive and shy Golden Retrievers. It is because of idiots like backyard breeders, that they are ruining wonderful breeds of dogs.

There should be a law, that if you are not a registered breeder, that your dogs must be spayed by 5-6 months of age. That way, the breeds will not have undeseriable traits, and it will also help with the dog population in shelters. The breeder should have to fill out a form and send it in, and the goverment should follow up on the dog when it gets around 5 months of age, and see if the owner has fixed the dog. Im not for government controling our every move, but I think that it is time that they do something about backyard breeders, and also puppy mills.

 

[Miltonchix]

I am NOT attacking pit bull owners or the breed necessarily. I own a German Shepherd. They WILL attack people as well. And it can be nearly as vicious as a Pit. But I have personally seen, played with, and petted some of the most gentle loving pit bulls only to learn later that that same loving gentle animal just ripped the owners child viciously, permanently maiming the child. Fine one moment, attacking the next. Even the best trained needs constant supervision. Some say a Rattle Snake can make a good pet. Do you want to trust him?
I hope the poor lady who was attacked heals. Though the mental wounds will probably last forever. The #$#@ owners should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. They are low life scumbags. The dog HAS TO BE destroyed too.
I'm experiencing a similar problem some of you have. Neighbor that lets their "cute Pit Bull" puppy roam free. He/she got its ONLY warning shot from me as it was harrassing my chickens. Next time.......SSS with prejudice.

 

[Wraith]

It's a darn shame that this happened. Talos wrote all this about fears it would happen and sure enough, it happened. Too bad there's no way to take preventative measures. You've got some real winners for neighbors, talos. Ever think about moving?

 

[Oblio13]

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The AKC doesn't recognize them:

"*Pit bull is NOT a breed. It's a generic term often used to describe all dogs with similar traits and characteristics often known by the public as "pit bulls."


"A pit bull is a type of dog, not a recognized breed. "

 

[Beekissed]

Regardless of breed or TYPE, these "types" of bully breeds are dangerous no matter what kind of good training, socialization, etc. they may receive. Anyone owning dogs of the "type" or breed that has been bred for generations to be a guard, attack or fighting dog, should be aware that these dogs have more of a tendency to fight, bite, or be aggressive with other animals and people. For every person out there who swears they have a pit bull, German Shepherd, or Rottweiler that wouldn't hurt a flea because they were "raised and trained properly", there is a story to support that, regardless of training or socialization, a dog of that particular breed viciously attacked someone. For all the folks who like to believe that it was some fault of the owner of these breeds and not the dog itself, there are an equal number of folks out there just like you, trembling in their shoes because their so-called "well trained" dog just ripped someone open. Basic facts are, these breeds have the breeding and strength to do more potential damage than the average dog. Why leave yourself open to a moment that can never be retracted by even owning such a breed, or "type" of dog? This has always mystified me? What goes on in the mind of someone who looks at a little puppy of a bully breed and says, "Well, we'll train that tendency right out of him, won't we precious?" Is it some need to have a large, dangerous dog, properly trained, of course, to make yourself look more intimidating? I never have gotten that concept. Why own one? Is it a challenge to see if you can turn a lion into a lamb? To prove to everyone that at least ONE pit bull won't put you in the hospital? To prove to folks that they are merely misunderstood? That with proper care and training, you won't own a killer....he just LOOKS like one, but we have trained him to forget all his instincts because WE have found the secret to divert years of breeding? Sorry, folks, but I don't buy into the whole "the dog just wasn't properly raised" when someone gets hurt.

 

[kstaven]

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I am going to jump in here at this point.

1) The pits in question should be put down. This is coming from a pitt owner BTW.

2) I hope the owners of said dogs are charged with everything the law can find to charge them with.

3) "Any" dog large or small that attacks in an unprovoked manner should be dealt with.

4) NO dogs should be allowed to range off the owners property.

5) ALL dogs used for breeding should have to pass behavioral tests much like is used for service dogs. They have to be able to go from WORK to PLAY seamlessly or they fail. "All dogs" we take in and work with have to meet this basic standard before being rehomed.

6) ALL dogs and their owners should have minimum training standards. Mandatory training of dogs and owners would alleviate a lot of the issues. Anyone who takes an adoptee from here has to work with the dog before we even consider the adoption.

7) If you check old information you would be surprised to find what dogs where once classed as the most likely to bite and do damage. Even the standard bred poodle once topped the list.

I hate regulations but it has come to a point that if dog owners can't be responsible with their charges something needs to be done. I always classed animal ownership as a privilage rather than a right. This is one of those clear cases where an owner should be banned from ever owning an animal again. They couldn't be responsible so the privilage is lost.

Putting the dog down or shooting it doesn't stop the fools from getting another one.