Swelling On Duck's Toe ~ PICTURE ~ URGENT

[PetDuck]

Not sure depends on what is in there if anything. Just keep doing what your doing and hopefully something will work. Nothing from Vet yet? No, I should hear from them today

I just took another look at the pictures of your ducks foot. I can see 1 spot that makes me think this maybe a bumble coming up but it's just not ready to show the classic brown spot yet. Have you tried ice? Put some in a plastic bag or a bag of frozen peas wrapped in a towel, get her to stand on it for a bit. I doubt she's going to like it very much but it could slow the infection, if that's what this is, down a bit.

• Is it any bigger? No
• Any change at all? Not really
• Is her leg or foot hot? Yes, it is quite warm.

• When you say drawing salve, what is it? "Smile's PRID all natural drawing salve" is the name
• What is the ingredient list?Acidum Carbolicum 2x HPUS, Ichthammol 2x HPUS, Arnica Montana (Montana Flower) 3X HPUS, Calendula (Calendula Officinalis) Flower 3X HPUS, Echinacea Angustifolia (Coneflower) 3x HPUS, Sulphur 12x HPUS, Hepar Sulph 12x HPUS, Silicea 12x HPUS, Rosin, Beeswax (Apis Mellifera), Petrolatum, Stearyl Alcohol, Methyl, Propylparaben

Something I've learned from others here on BYC and from my own bout of bumblefoot, the pus poultry gets isn't like ours. It's hard and can't be drawn out like it can be in us. Not saying your slave won't work, need to know what the active ingredient is. It may very well sink in and kill some of the bacteria and cause the scabs like you can see in my picture. How long it will take is dependant upon the ingredients in what you're using.

 

[Shikoba70]

Did you order thee duck bootie ? If not prob wouldnt order from indoor ducks, used to be owned by Nettie but it isnt now and they arent as customised. Nettie does better ones and she is called Partyfowl now. I have just ordered a pair for my drake

 

[Haunted55]

Okay, I did a down and dirty search for the ingredients and here are two from the ones I came up with. Warning! The first link has some strong language, the second gives us the basic info on just what the icthammol is. Would it work on a human? Sure, I believe it works by causing more inflamation and making the body expel the poisons quicker. With a duck? I'm not so sure about that....remember, the pus in poultry isn't watery like in humans, it's a harder cheesy like thing. If you had Iodex as the drawing ointment then I'd say yes it would work, after a while. If this were my bird and it had heat in the leg as you say, I would be giving it an antibiotic as soon as possible, then I would go to work on the swelling with very warm soaks with iodine or betadine in the water and then the topical application of undiluted iodine after, over the whole area of swelling.

I just got through reading something about a case of bumblefoot that turned septic, in this case a chicken. That person too tried using topical ointments, triple antibiotic cream, with no internal help of an antibiotic. Unfortunately, it was too late for that and the bird died. I didn't save the link, I'm sorry. If you do a search for bumblefoot and sepsis, you might be able to find that particular one as well as a host of others.

http://morsdei.wordpress.com/2009/08/21/not-so-safe-homeopathic-ingredients/

http://www.ichthyol.com/ichthammol_1.html

 

[Miss Lydia]

Okay, I did a down and dirty search for the ingredients and here are two from the ones I came up with. Warning! The first link has some strong language, the second gives us the basic info on just what the icthammol is. Would it work on a human? Sure, I believe it works by causing more inflamation and making the body expel the poisons quicker. With a duck? I'm not so sure about that....remember, the pus in poultry isn't watery like in humans, it's a harder cheesy like thing. If you had Iodex as the drawing ointment then I'd say yes it would work, after a while. If this were my bird and it had heat in the leg as you say, I would be giving it an antibiotic as soon as possible, then I would go to work on the swelling with very warm soaks with iodine or betadine in the water and then the topical application of undiluted iodine after, over the whole area of swelling.

I just got through reading something about a case of bumblefoot that turned septic, in this case a chicken. That person too tried using topical ointments, triple antibiotic cream, with no internal help of an antibiotic. Unfortunately, it was too late for that and the bird died. I didn't save the link, I'm sorry. If you do a search for bumblefoot and sepsis, you might be able to find that particular one as well as a host of others.

http://morsdei.wordpress.com/2009/08/21/not-so-safe-homeopathic-ingredients/

http://www.ichthyol.com/ichthammol_1.html

I have used the ichthammol on my hen some but didn't see any changes in bumble.

 

[PetDuck]

Okay, I did a down and dirty search for the ingredients and here are two from the ones I came up with. Warning! The first link has some strong language, the second gives us the basic info on just what the icthammol is. Would it work on a human? Sure, I believe it works by causing more inflamation and making the body expel the poisons quicker. With a duck? I'm not so sure about that....remember, the pus in poultry isn't watery like in humans, it's a harder cheesy like thing. If you had Iodex as the drawing ointment then I'd say yes it would work, after a while. If this were my bird and it had heat in the leg as you say, I would be giving it an antibiotic as soon as possible, then I would go to work on the swelling with very warm soaks with iodine or betadine in the water and then the topical application of undiluted iodine after, over the whole area of swelling.

I just got through reading something about a case of bumblefoot that turned septic, in this case a chicken. That person too tried using topical ointments, triple antibiotic cream, with no internal help of an antibiotic. Unfortunately, it was too late for that and the bird died. I didn't save the link, I'm sorry. If you do a search for bumblefoot and sepsis, you might be able to find that particular one as well as a host of others.

http://morsdei.wordpress.com/2009/08/21/not-so-safe-homeopathic-ingredients/

http://www.ichthyol.com/ichthammol_1.html

You did research for me? How sweet!!!

What exactly do you mean the bumblefoot in the chicken turned septic? I will buy some iodine today and use that. (won't it stain her feet?) I felt her the swelling on her foot like you guys asked me to and I could feel and hard lump at the left of the swelling on the bottom side of her foot. When you look in the pictures that I gave you guys earlier you can see it does kind of bulge out to the left. What could that be?

 

[Haunted55]

You did research for me? How sweet!!!

What exactly do you mean the bumblefoot in the chicken turned septic? I will buy some iodine today and use that. (won't it stain her feet?) I felt her the swelling on her foot like you guys asked me to and I could feel and hard lump at the left of the swelling on the bottom side of her foot. When you look in the pictures that I gave you guys earlier you can see it does kind of bulge out to the left. What could that be?

WalMart has the colorless iodine for cheap, it's what I've been using. Sepsis or septic means that the infection has gone into the blood and is now traveling through out the body. For a while, the white cells of the duck and their higher body temperature will help keep things in check, but eventually if something isn't done it could blow up into a real mess. As in the duck gets so sick she will not be able to recover. The chicken didn't and if I remember correctly it only took a short time for it to go bad for the bird. Now as I just said, ducks are a bit different so if you are sure that one leg is hotter than the other I would be thinking about adding an antibiotic now.

Your tetracyclines are going to be your best bet with this. If you have a Tractor Suplly near you, get a pouch of the Duramycin-10, about 7-8 dollars, give the bird 1/2 tbls per gallon of water. You will need to make this up fresh every 24 hrs. for at least 7 days and maybe even 10 days. It will depend on how well she responds to the topical iodine and the internal antibiotic. Now seriously, check the temp of the leg against her other one. If warmer or hotter do the antibiotic, no question.

Picture #2....if you look at it you will see a small spot, there are actually 3 there, but one looks like the start of the brown spot these have. I have no idea why it hasn't developed further, unless she's been trying to care for it herself. In fact, looking at it again and #3 as well, it looks to me like 3 separate one that have just spread out in there forming one mass. If this were my bird that is what i would be thinking. Paint the whole thing with iodine, the whole lump. Hold her while it dries and then put her into something with clean shavings or whatever you use. Don't bandage it, if you do it will burn her. In a day or so you should start to see something like the picture I showed you with the black scabs. My guess is you're going to see 3 of them on that lump and the lump should start to look a bit wrinkled from the swelling going down. When you see these, give her a bath and let her play and soak in warm water, not cold, you want the water to soften these things up so you can pull them off gently with a pair of tweezers. there may be a little blood when you do, but just get them off and have something with you to press against it to stop the bleeding. One the scab is off take a real good look at the wound. Can you see any yellowy white stuff? Trust me, it doesn't look like normal tissue, you'll know it when you see it. If you do, you will need to get as much of this out as you can with the tweezers and by squeezing. You'll probably need someone to help you with the holding while you do this. Miss Lydia told me to wrap mine up in a towel like a baby, with the ducks head covered and it worked like a charm! Duck stayed quiet and didn't flinch or fuss at all. One you have everything out you can get, wipe it dry and apply the iodine again, let dry and put her back with clean dry shavings. Wait another couple of days and take another look. It takes longer this way but you don't have to cut into her either.

 

[PetDuck]

Okay I put Iodine on it tonight. How many days do I have to do the iodine treatment before it turns black like your picture? Do I still have to put iodine on it then? I will have my dad bring home some of the D-10 from TSC on his way home from work tomorrow afternoon. Thank you so much for helping me so much!!! I really appreciate it!

 

[PetDuck]

Okay she seemed fine when I left her out this morning. I looked at the foot and it looked pretty much the same as it did last night.

 

[PetDuck]

Dad forgot to get the D-10
But I have GREAT NEWS!!! I went to do Quackers routine soak and when I soaked her for 10 minute I looked at her foot and the swelling has gone down about 20%, It's small but It is huge for me!!! Though I did not see the 2 other spots today, the spot in the middle has gotten bigger. The right foot's pad (the spot where the toes connect, you can go to my last thread to see the pictures) black scab has been gradually getting smaller over the past several weeks, but tonight, after I put iodine on it yesterday along with the other foot, it had disappeared 50%!!! I am so happy!!!

 

[Amiga]

That's good news! I think Haunted55 said to watch for a few days. I am not sure it needs retreatment with the iodine from post 76. I need to be paying closer attention, since this information will be very helpful to me some day.