The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

[Goose and Fig]

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I outcrossed a Marans into my AMERAUCANAS to start my lavender cuckoo project. They are now 1/64 Marans. But the purists (who apparently have no idea how we get new colors) are calling them crossbred mutts. But I will keep going with them. Next year they will be 1/128th....maybe that will be pure enough for them. lol.

Sorry- I should have been more clear on the "project" that I was talking about. Just trying to show how sometimes you have to work outside the box to get the results you want.

I have NOT crossed anything into my Orpingtons. They are awesome as is. Just saying.

 

[rockinpaints]

my fav by far are the motteled WOW i just love them

 

[aveca]

I love that he is in a clothing store LOL!...true high fashion!

 

[galanie]

Aveca, I love the last line in your sig.

 

[aveca]

I fully intend to keep a 100% English line, as well as my 50-75% English x SOP Buff line. I raise show birds. To do so, you must conform to the SOP from APA, not the British standard. The British birds have done a great job in eradicating the Rock blood that was infused into US Buffs during the war years, and after. My imports have done a remarkable job on combs, color, and depth of keel, when crossed on SOP birds. The hybrids are also larger than either the British, or SOP birds, and lay earlier and longer than either.

All Orps are in the English class. That is where they came from. It only made sense to me to go back to the source. I also enjoy keeping both types up to snuff, and comparing them while they are ranging.

So true Vickie..they seemed to focus on the type..the combs are wonderful , so little fuss..the color superb..width ect..you dont have to look twice to say thats an orp..I see that in the whites too they have the classic orp head, & beak..whatever they added it kept them a little more true..they fought for the type , some little things need to be worked out..took some nice pics this morning..were having NPIP this morning, last year when we did this is was near a hundred degrees, this morning it is 33 degrees!! man alive, I moved some of the cages out into the sun..put the big buffs out there, then covered with a sheet as the wind s very biting..plymoth and wyandotte features in europe are a point deduction..I will try to scan and post that judging handbook sent to me by my nephew..

 

[RedReiner]

Brushycreek did the same thing- saying the Americans helped improve productivity, which make perfect sense.


I did an outcross several generations ago with one of my projects, and have taken a lot of slack for it. But overall- I got improvements and color that I never would have gotten sticking with the status quo.

just a question, did you admit you did the outcross to improve or did you just toss it in there and not say anything and still called it a purebred? not attempting be insulting here, truly I am not, but I have dealt with some that use other breeds then pass off the offspring as purebred, and english to boot, and I think that stinks, if one is honest and says, hey I outcrossed once to improve this or that, got the desired results and now generations later I feel they are purebred. I can accept that as its honest and in the beginning every breed was a combination of breeds until it bred true.

I outcrossed a Marans into my AMERAUCANAS to start my lavender cuckoo project. They are now 1/64 Marans. But the purists (who apparently have no idea how we get new colors) are calling them crossbred mutts.   But I will keep going with them. Next year they will be 1/128th....maybe that will be pure enough for them. lol.  

Sorry- I should have been more clear on the "project" that I was talking about. Just trying to show how sometimes you have to work outside the box to get the results you want.  

I have NOT crossed anything into my Orpingtons. They are awesome as is. Just saying.  

in my book, that is ok, your not saying oh these are pure for the last 100 years after adding in another breed to help with something, I dont have a problem with that, and you took them right back to the purebred to continue on with, which is how it should be done with any animal breeding. it does take generations though, it just bothers me when some are less than honest about what they have tossed in the pen and dont admit it, and sell it as purebred. I do try to avoid that type, hard tho isnt it?

 

[Kiniska]

Technically, since there is no official registry, as long as the bird fits type and breeds true can't it be classified as one thing or another. I mean if it walks, clucks, and produces like an EO isn't it an EO? Taking this back to the just because you bred it from such and such stock, if you don't cull right you get inferior birds. Can't the flip be true? It may be a longer row to hoe, but it could technically be done. Obviously William Cook managed to do it. I think the technicality of where they came from is secondary to who breeds them and what is produced.

I am just a newbie so please don't ream me to hard if there is something I am missing.

Thanks!

 

[BamaChicken]

Love the color

 

[DuckLady]

Closed for review and clean up.

Please do not start another thread and please be patient and do not PM the Staff. We are all working on this.

 

[Happy Chooks]

This thread is being reopened. Please remember to be courteous to others - you may disagree, but do so respectfully.