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[Matieus27]

Any Roux (Egyptian) males will be pure because they have to have two Roux color genes to be Roux. Any Pharaoh females will be pure because they will not have any Roux color genes.

The problem with the Pharaoh males is that they can phenotypically be Pharaoh but will genotypically be carrying a hidden recessive Roux gene. You will not be able to look at them and determine if they are homozygous or heterozygous.

Breeding Roux males to Pharaoh females will produce first generation sex links even though you may be thinking of them as 3rd generation.

Right technically they would be my third generation and if i was to breed them that way since you do roux male to pharaoh female right? then my third generation would be sex link. i think we are saying the same thing just differently and the computer isn't helping the situation.

 

[R2elk]

Right technically they would be my third generation and if i was to breed them that way since you do roux male to pharaoh female right? then my third generation would be sex link. i think we are saying the same thing just differently and the computer isn't helping the situation.

The difference in what we are saying is that while to you they are the third generation, anytime you cross the two different lines, Roux male to Pharaoh female, the resulting generation of sex links is an F1 generation. Implying that it is an F3 generation may cause some people to think that breeding their F2 generation to each other will produce sex links when it is a specific mating that has nothing to do with generations that causes the F1 sex links.

 

[ShrekDawg]

I'm fast.

That’s good!!

 

[Matieus27]

The difference in what we are saying is that while to you they are the third generation, anytime you cross the two different lines, Roux male to Pharaoh female, the resulting generation of sex links is an F1 generation. Implying that it is an F3 generation may cause some people to think that breeding their F2 generation to each other will produce sex links when it is a specific mating that has nothing to do with generations that causes the F1 sex links.

Yep ok I see what you saying

 

[CoturnixComplex]

In the video, he refers to Egyptians and Pharaohs. I assume that @CoturnixComplex is referring to the Egyptians as Roux.

Yep! Technically, "roux dilute" is the color/gene, and "egyptian" refers specifically to the F1 progeny of a roux male and a pharoah female, all of whom will be sexable at birth. I don't tend to use the latter; I think it confuses people because of the closeness to "pharaoh" (well, by people I guess I mean me originally ).

Ok, picture-lovers these 2 runts are 22 days old now.. they love to sleep on their backs on my lap. They are not quite gold, but I cannot tell what other color they have... Or maybe the gold will come later? Maybe silver. I cannot tell if they are male or a female yet.

They are goldens! It is really more yellow than gold. And they don't get their darker orange tidbits until puberty. You can already see it starting to happen to the male in that pic around the chest. Those have lots of spots; I would probably call them golden italians or speckled italians.

So my second generation any roux males i would get would be pure roux then I breed those to the female roux and I will essentially have pure roux? Same would go for the pharaoh because if a female has one roux gene she shows it. So essentially my theory is correct? At third generation you could possibly breed for sex links right.

Any roux male you ever have is carrying 2 copies of the gene and can be used over a pharaoh for sex-linked hatches.

I wasn't even trying for them and I've ended up with a number of them in F1/F2 breedings of unrelated, differently colored birds, and finding out that a good number of my original males also carry a single copy. Confused the heck out of me at first.

Ignore my pictures, I'm mad I left them as thumbnails. They look stupid and I'm going to ask a mod to change the format for me when I have to have the link to the main directory page changed/removed. But here's the discussion page for this color!

https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...uail-discussion-thread.1331206/#post-21732107

 

[Kiki]

well i stayed up way past my bedtime and we watched the whole thing!! interesting but a bit unsettling......really sad that both the birds and the poor husband had to suffer for that woman to get a brand new house!! made me even a bit more worried about Friday......I know that my situation can in no way be construed as cruel, unsanitary, hoarding but there is so much subjectivity.....the woman on that documentary that took the birds was wearing shirt that said animals are friends not food etc......to me some of them could be considered just as “mentally unstable” as the hoarder!

I just finished watching it.
The whole thing is just sad but I am happy she got a new clean house.
How in the world she isn't deathly ill from living in that crap I will never know.

I wonder if the new house is full of chickens yet.

 

[CoturnixComplex]

I'm at a bit of a crossroads in my mini-farm.

We have the option to stay here forever, basically, or hightail it to somewhere with both better healthcare and the ability to have a real proper outdoor mini-farm, within the next few years.

I would really love to stay here. The nesting instinct is strong, it's my beautiful family home, my mom would have trouble continuing to afford it without us staying here, and there's so many things about living here that I love.

BUT, notwithstanding the healthcare issue:

I've realized ducks are kind of my minimum "made it!" farm animal, and they're just not going to be feasible. I keep trying to talk myself into making space for a pair of mini silver appleyards but the reality is they're too loud for this neighborhood, too messy to keep indoors, and too risky code-wise to keep outdoors. Maybe a pair of quiet bantam hens someday, but not ducks.

It's a bummer, man.

 

[Nabiki]

I'm at a bit of a crossroads in my mini-farm.

We have the option to stay here forever, basically, or hightail it to somewhere with both better healthcare and the ability to have a real proper outdoor mini-farm, within the next few years.

I would really love to stay here. The nesting instinct is strong, it's my beautiful family home, my mom would have trouble continuing to afford it without us staying here, and there's so many things about living here that I love.

BUT, notwithstanding the healthcare issue:

I've realized ducks are kind of my minimum "made it!" farm animal, and they're just not going to be feasible. I keep trying to talk myself into making space for a pair of mini silver appleyards but the reality is they're too loud for this neighborhood, too messy to keep indoors, and too risky code-wise to keep outdoors. Maybe a pair of quiet bantam hens someday, but not ducks.

It's a bummer, man.

That's a tough choice. Whichever choice you make, however, don't second guess yourself. Life is too short to spend on "shoulda, woulda, coulda".

 

[CoturnixComplex]

That's a tough choice. Whichever choice you make, however, don't second guess yourself. Life is too short to spend on "shoulda, woulda, coulda".

Thank you! It's a good reminder.

We're trying to enjoy being here while it lasts, at least. Which will be at least another year or two. And we're so close to nature, with so much amazing wildlife, and I can do so much more than in when we were in the city and we're both so much happier.

My main quandary in the short term is about how expensive a shed to put up this fall.

 

[BReeder!]

I'm at a bit of a crossroads in my mini-farm.

We have the option to stay here forever, basically, or hightail it to somewhere with both better healthcare and the ability to have a real proper outdoor mini-farm, within the next few years.

I would really love to stay here. The nesting instinct is strong, it's my beautiful family home, my mom would have trouble continuing to afford it without us staying here, and there's so many things about living here that I love.

BUT, notwithstanding the healthcare issue:

I've realized ducks are kind of my minimum "made it!" farm animal, and they're just not going to be feasible. I keep trying to talk myself into making space for a pair of mini silver appleyards but the reality is they're too loud for this neighborhood, too messy to keep indoors, and too risky code-wise to keep outdoors. Maybe a pair of quiet bantam hens someday, but not ducks.

It's a bummer, man.

Well, you set the bar lower than I did. My minimum requirement for a mini-farm is pygmy goats. I have currently have 8 chickens, 4 turkeys, 5 ducks and a whole bunch of quail, and that's in addition to 2 dogs, fish and a gecko (the darned gecko seems to want to live forever!). We also have a good sized garden (30'x35') complete with a 3-bin compost setup, 3 raised beds and a lot of rows/mounds. I still don't have a mini-farm though in my opinion. I told DW I want 3-5 acres where we can have pygmy goats (maybe even dairy goats), lots of dual purpose chickens, turkeys, ducks and quail, a small barn/outbuilding to house them all, and a 1-2 acre pasture to supplement the animals' feed. I'd love a few horses too if we can get to the size of 5+ acres, ideally near some trails to ride them on.