GMO dangers and animal miscarriages

[Bear Foot Farm]

There's nothing emotional about the fact that GMO corporations have made at least one grand scale mistake. They stated that GM pesticides in corn cannot survive the human digestive process. It's perfectly logical to want independent testing before trusting the rest of their claims.

But the king of all logics I suppose is profit... Ethics are outside that little equation. On that score, I grant you the right to be more logical than I am...

That's probably why most of the anti GMO sites are promoting "organic" as a better way, when studies have proven organic crops are no more nutritious than conventional

If GMO's were as harmful as they would lead you to believe, half the worlds population would be dead, and all the livestock would be about to go extinct​

 

[ChickenAl]

Brownegger, I agree with you. All this stuff is scary to even think about. We can't put the genie back in the bottle, unfortunately. Once something is invented it can't be uninvented. I don't have a crystal ball and cannot tell what is going to happen, but there are genuine concerns that are not being addressed by the FDA and Dept of Agriculture. a manufacturer of any product should not be allowed to perform their own testing when it comes to safety, and they should not use a lab of their choosing either. That is where the government (and I hesitate to say this) needs to have the resources and technologies to do the testing and must be fully accountable for its results. It may not be the best way, but private testing labs can skew results more easily. There is no perfect world or system...

 

[ChickenAl]

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That's probably why most of the anti GMO sites are promoting "organic" as a better way, when studies have proven organic crops are no more nutritious than conventional

If GMO's were as harmful as they would lead you to believe, half the worlds population would be dead, and all the livestock would be about to go extinct

It's not about nutrition, it is about harmful chemicals in the crops. Nutritionally, they may be the same, but organically produced crops do not use pesticides or herbicides.

 

[GhostRider65]

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LOL

You don't REALLY believe this do you?
Are these "toxins" more powerful than the Hydrochloric Acid your stomach already produces?

Stomach acids are toxins? I would have thought they have surface effects rather than systemic ones. I'm sure you know better.

It's very hard to trust GMO safety 'experts' if they get an important detail wrong. They said the pesticide in GM corn can't get into the human bloodstream. It certainly has, and on a grand scale.

How it got there, what it might do and whether or not we should be concerned are questions to be asked. What's needed is a lot wider questioning, not narrower.

Yup and independent questioning. The usda/fcc/whatever government idoits are letting Monsanto do there own testing???? hummmmmmm seems simple enough huh we say our products are great and you eat them.......... I highly doubt any info is correct given it is tested by the company who makes it and all the money, because it all comes down to that 1 thing , why do you think the politicians are all in bed with the big GMO companies or Pharmaceutical companies . MONEY !!!!! where that evil word is involved you will NOT get the truth in whole or part from anyone remotely involved. I've read aplenty articles where even the independents were paid off to lie.
I have to agree with anyone who opposes these big companies, because they do not care what the outcome is as long as they make a poop ton of money. we are all just Guinna pigs. and very insignificant in there eyes. I would bet a bundle that the heads of Monsanto do not eat there products.......

 

[Bear Foot Farm]

It's not about nutrition, it is about harmful chemicals in the crops. Nutritionally, they may be the same, but organically produced crops do not use pesticides or herbicides.

Most of the so called "studies" that show all the "harmful" effects tend to be junk science and speculation, like Hubers report in the OP.

Reality is most people and most animals in the country have been eating these foods for many years and are still healthy.
Before GMO's they used even more dangerous pesticides and burned more fuel to produce the same amount of food.

Organic methods can no longer supply enough food​

 

[redhen]

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[henparty3]

yes GMO is in everything.. I am reading about permaculture, and incorporating garden animals into that system, and they suggest just growing a vegetable patch for your hens. It woudl have to be fast growing food, and you would need lots of it, as well as rotating a couple of veg patches. You woudl probably still have to supplement with commercial feed. I have sectioned off a smallish area and scattered grass, alfalfa, lettuces, bean and pea seeds, just experimenting, as they do love fresh veggies.

 

[ChickenAl]

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Read Gaia's Garden by Toby Hemenway. Excellent book. You may also want to check out www.permies.com which is all about permaculture and sustainable living.

 

[Medicine Man]

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Question: Do you understand the concept of long-term ill effects on health, like cancer for example? I'm almost shocked that anybody is still disputing that glyphosphate is harmful to us over the long term. I say "almost" because nothing really surprises me anymore when it comes to the right wing red staters that dominate this forum.

The idea that organic methods cannot supply enough food is just another element of the same brainwashing. Famine is an issue of distribution, not production.

 

[ChickenAl]

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Most of the so called "studies" that show all the "harmful" effects tend to be junk science and speculation, like Hubers report in the OP.

Reality is most people and most animals in the country have been eating these foods for many years and are still healthy.
Before GMO's they used even more dangerous pesticides and burned more fuel to produce the same amount of food.

Organic methods can no longer supply enough food

I know that organic methods may not supply enough food to be exported bt it could supply enough for our own country.

Yes, we've been consuming food with chemicals in it for years, and the cancer rate continues to climb. Might just be more accurate diagnosis, or a problem in the food chain. Synthetic compounds do produce harmful consequences, and that HAS been proven. Huber's report was a load of hooey from a nut-job professor,imo, too. Still, lowering the amounts of sprayed herbicides and pesticides should be the goal, not continuing to create an environment whereby their use is ever increasing. Seems like common sense not to want petrochemical-synthetic compounds in the crops or soil. Look at how phosphates in lawn fertilizer ruin the water systems with runoff. Why have anything added that can potentially cause harm? Because something is quick to act and profitable does not mean it is ethically or morally correct.