Fluffy Butt Acres: Stories of our flock

[RoyalChick]

You could tubefeed the water mixture or go with a syringe. We have the liquid Baytril and syringe it into the sick chicken. This way we know they get a correct dose.

Yup. I did that too with Maggie.
Then when I got used to how little volume it actually was a went to the absorb it into little crusts of bread approach.
By the way, fancy bread works less well than sliced packaged supermarket sandwich bread!

 

[lightm]

I have no time to figure this out right now but maybe @RoyalChick could calculate the amounts for you.

I would rather dissolve the right Baytril dose in as little water as possible and using a syringe, direct dose her. Sick chickens do not always drink the right amount of water to allow for good dosing and underdosing antibiotics can have consequences.

Thanks for weighing in. Yes indeed @RoyalChick has provided all the information I need. I definitely would also dissolve the right amount to water and syringe feed her as @GregnLety also mentioned, if I had a precise enough scale. I am going to order such a scale today.

For now, Honey is getting Amox capsules since Baytril is such a powerful drug that I am happy to not use it yet.

 

[ChicoryBlue]

I'm sorry. I have missed to much to feel competent to weigh in here. I will try and read back to figure out what has happened.

The vet has the idea that the impaction/obstruction possibly created a wound or inflammation enough to cause the bloody pus poop, assuming it is hers (and I haven't seen any further poop like that yet anywhere). Going on that theory, Butters is in the process of healing from that. I have noticed tough food not well digested - corn or sunflower seeds - and we're speculating on the cause: related to the impaction injury theory, or something else(maybe she can't heal from).

 

[ChicoryBlue]

Oh I missed she had an X-ray. Scrap the foreign object thought.

Well theoretically could it have caused damage and yet have passed in poop prior to the Xray?

 

[bgmathteach]

@BY Bob, this is the general thread on Butters. I know I've missed a couple, and I think you are aware fo the first few. I'm missing the post where there was a HUGE nasty mix of fibrous material that @ChicoryBlue had to help pull out of her vent...but a later one showing fibers is in here. I'm not sure I captured enough for it to make sense, but I am not a search queen like @RoyalChick

https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...es-stories-of-our-flock.1286630/post-27084588

https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...es-stories-of-our-flock.1286630/post-27130276

https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...es-stories-of-our-flock.1286630/post-27130348

https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...es-stories-of-our-flock.1286630/post-27130894


https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...es-stories-of-our-flock.1286630/post-27142167

https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...es-stories-of-our-flock.1286630/post-27142640

https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...es-stories-of-our-flock.1286630/post-27143037

https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...es-stories-of-our-flock.1286630/post-27143324

 

[ChicoryBlue]

Thank you. She weights 4.4lbs=2kg.

Baytril
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Here she is after a bath. Not sure if its helpful but she likes it.
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But I noticed that you already made a second post before I am to answer your questions.

She is indeed 2kg. Thanks again!!!

Is this helpful? @RoyalChick https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/lash-material.1592905/post-27068888
I think the dosing talked about here is what you would give if you mixed the powder up in water as directed, then measured out that mixture in a ml syringe, per pound of bird. Does it read that way to you all?

 

[bgmathteach]

I'm sorry. I have missed to much to feel competent to weigh in here. I will try and read back to figure out what has happened.

So, I posted with a bunch of links to old posts, but this is what I was thinking: I am assuming that the gizzard has a valve at either 'end' (coming into and exiting the gizzard) to regulate inflow & outflow of food. (? I don't really know if they have valves in their intestinal track like humans, but would assume ???? that at least in the gizzard they might??)

Butters pooped a whole lot of fibrous material. The initial poo was so large/bulky that Butters couldn't get it all the way out on her own - @ChicoryBlue had to help by gently but firmly pulling it out for her...and Butters went on to have another 1 or 2 poos made up mostly of long fibrous material - though none as bulky that she couldn't pass it herself. I was thinking that maybe, if she had that much stuff in there, and it was 'stuck' in the gizzard (remember, her crop was backed up with sand-like grit - so something must have been blocking her track below the crop), that maybe the 'exit valve' to teh gizzard got stretched/damaged, and that is why small solids are showing in her poo??? That the gizzard isn't 'sealing' properly, and stuff is exiting prior to being fully ground?

Only a pondering on my part, as I don't know the anatomy as well as I should. I have seen a gizzard, but never inspected it prior to opening it/cutting off the rest of the tract to examine to see if valves are present.

I was hoping someone with a better understanding of the chicken digestive track and it's functioning would know if it had valves, and if they could have been stretched or damaged (if present) if they could heal and/or the gizzard adapt over time.....i.e. eventually she wouldn't poo unground things.

Ramblings of a curious but uninformed mind about potential causes. I do suspect that whatever is wrong with her, it has something to do with the gizzard given that undigested pieces of 'hard to digest' items are showing in her poo (hulled sunflower seeds, kernels of corn, etc.)

 

[lightm]

Is this helpful? @RoyalChick https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/lash-material.1592905/post-27068888
I think the dosing talked about here is what you would give if you mixed the powder up in water as directed, then measured out that mixture in a ml syringe, per pound of bird. Does it read that way to you all?

Yes, it does seem like that. I read this post too during the search. What I am not sure is if it is 10mg/kg for the powder or 10mg/kg for the active ingredient, but RC was very clear about it.

 

[RoyalChick]

So, I posted with a bunch of links to old posts, but this is what I was thinking: I am assuming that the gizzard has a valve at either 'end' (coming into and exiting the gizzard) to regulate inflow & outflow of food. (? I don't really know if they have valves in their intestinal track like humans, but would assume ???? that at least in the gizzard they might??)

Butters pooped a whole lot of fibrous material. The initial poo was so large/bulky that Butters couldn't get it all the way out on her own - @ChicoryBlue had to help by gently but firmly pulling it out for her...and Butters went on to have another 1 or 2 poos made up mostly of long fibrous material - though none as bulky that she couldn't pass it herself. I was thinking that maybe, if she had that much stuff in there, and it was 'stuck' in the gizzard (remember, her crop was backed up with sand-like grit - so something must have been blocking her track below the crop), that maybe the 'exit valve' to teh gizzard got stretched/damaged, and that is why small solids are showing in her poo??? That the gizzard isn't 'sealing' properly, and stuff is exiting prior to being fully ground?

Only a pondering on my part, as I don't know the anatomy as well as I should. I have seen a gizzard, but never inspected it prior to opening it/cutting off the rest of the tract to examine to see if valves are present.

I was hoping someone with a better understanding of the chicken digestive track and it's functioning would know if it had valves, and if they could have been stretched or damaged (if present) if they could heal and/or the gizzard adapt over time.....i.e. eventually she wouldn't poo unground things.

Ramblings of a curious but uninformed mind about potential causes. I do suspect that whatever is wrong with her, it has something to do with the gizzard given that undigested pieces of 'hard to digest' items are showing in her poo (hulled sunflower seeds, kernels of corn, etc.)

I did a little bit of digging around on this and from what I gather there isn't a sphincter at the exit. It works more like a synchronized set of muscles. But we are well past anything I feel competent to opine on!

 

[RoyalChick]

Yes, it does seem like that. I read this post too during the search. What I am not sure is if it is 10mg/kg for the powder or 10mg/kg for the active ingredient, but RC was very clear about it.

These 10% mixtures are so confusing!
I am 100% sure that the dose should be 10mg of Enrofloxacin drug per Kg of body weight daily.

The conversion to the fractions of grams is worth checking - maybe @bgmathteach can look over my work in the earlier post - it is always good to have someone check your work for stray decimal points! I was reassured that I came close to what you had calculated using a different method so I am pretty confident!

Here is a quote from the EMA (the European FDA) and the report I snagged it from.

The recommended doses are 2.5 to 5 mg enrofloxacin/kg bw/day for 3 to 5 days (cattle and pigs) or 10 mg enrofloxacin/kg bw/day for 3 to 10 days (chickens and turkeys). In some Member States, enrofloxacin is authorised for use in sheep, goats and rabbits; the dosage regime was not provided for these species.