I want to take a minute to rant. This is not directed to anyone on here but some posts and advice I've been seeing on some chicken facebook groups that are getting under my skin. I guess it could pertain to those of us who have broody hens and babies.

In the last month there has been countless posts about people asking for help because they let a hen hatch chicks and then want to know what to do. 2 things keep getting told to them over and over and each one wants to make me scream in frustration. Half of the advice given is to take the chicks from the momma and brood them themselves. The other half of the group say to separate momma and babies from the flock and not introduce them back until the chicks are 7 weeks or older so they are big enough to defend themselves.

The first option really ticks me off. If you are going to trust your hen to hatch, and let her go through all the work to do it give your hen a chance to prove she is a good mom. Even if I do not plan on keeping the chicks I never take them away from her until she is finished with them. To me that is cruel, if your not going to let her raise them, buy a incubator. Now if she hatches and starts killing the chicks, ok, remove them and never let her hatch again. But give the poor momma a chance please.

The 2nd option almost makes me as mad. Maybe keep them separate for a few days or up to a week but not 7 weeks. The mom will protect them, they will watch and learn from other flock members if given a chance. More importantly, when mom is done, most times before 7 weeks they are already fully integrated flock members.

I do not even attempt to offer this advise anymore because you will be hounded because you do not agree with them. Even if several people disagree with those options we are all evil and not protecting those delicate chicks. I will tell you, chicks are not as fragile as we have came to believe or be told they are.

Ok Rant over.
I 100% agree. I think taking the chicks away from Mom is cruel if she is not harming them. I also agree that the sooner the 'flock' sees and knws them, the better!

FYI: How I do 'it' with a broody mom:
I have a broody 'tractor', that once I am sure they are determined, I move them to and put eggs under them. This is so that their 'nests' don't get stolen when they get off. I've lost multiple clutches because the 'mom' gets off the nest, and a dominant hen goes in to lay, and they end up sitting on the eggs 'next door'. [For me, many of my broodies are DC, and they are NEVER top of the flock, rank wise]

My broodie tractor is in the main run, so while they can't 'mingle' per say, they are never really removed from the flock. (there is a dust bath bin, food, water in the tractor, and most of the tractor (but roof, nest box, and sides below nest box) are wire mesh...so plenty of air & interaction.

Once hatches, the other hens always come up to the sides of the tractor, curious & investigating.

After a few days (depending on when they hatch...as it needs to be a weekend so I can watch to make sure everything is okay), I open the door to the tractor to let bigs & littles intermingle. If it goes okay, I do same again next day& watch....if still okay, they are free to roam each day with mom...but get locked in broody hut at night (all my coops have elevated nest boxes, and some would be very difficult for a chick to get into the coop, never mind nest box, and my coops tend to be on the small side...for roosting & laying only)

Mom always calls them back to broody hut anyways.....for a couple of weeks. They seem to know when the chicks can handle 'more', and then they start bringing them into a coop with roosts and nest boxes....Depending on Mom and coop layout (also, I think how full or not the coop is), moms sometimes starts bringing them into nest box, other times right up onto roost from start.

Though I've only hatches chicks 7-8 times (I call my co-broodies 1x, though 2 hens that hatch side by side, because as moms, each time they have stuck together and kinda acted as one unit), I've only had an issue once....with 1 hen that was determined to rid the flock of the evil youngsters. [ I ended up putting the bad hen in the injury box overnight...still evil...put her back in the next night and day...let her out @ bed time - much improved after that, though I did put her in for an hour or two here and there for a few weeks after...by the time the chicks were 3-4 weeks old and accepted fully by everyone else, including semi-adopted by some additional hens, she got harassed if she bothered them - other than a 'keep in line' peck]

I must say, though, that the first time I had a broodie, I listened to the advise you mentioned above @RebeccaBoyd , and had to go through the full on integration with chicks that were much smaller than the adults (8-10 weeks old) and, since were 'new' & were considered outsiders! Much harder integration than letting them integrate 'naturally'.

Because I do have a large flock that has the same general 'home base' I DO have to be careful and make sure 1 Roo 'accepts them' first, though.

Tax pics in a bit.....

Edit to add: When I get chicks from a hatchery, though, they get brooded inside until 7-8 weeks, then introduced. However, once I get electricity out to the coop area, I'm going to build a safe brooder out there so that everyone can get aquainted sooner if I 'buy some in again.' I'm not holding my breathe on that for happening anytime soon, though...hubby is in charge of that...and with him things move sssssllllllooooooowwwwww. But, I have my plate already full..so 🤷‍♀️
 
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First question, is she brooding in the house or out in the coop now? Second question, what day is she on?
Ok, now, going by my girls patterns and routines, the first 2 days they will not come off the nest, and I do not force them off. It is reinforcing that desire to sit. If on day 3 they do not get off I will remove them and not allow them back on until they have drank, pooped and at least got a quick snack. After that they will tend to get off once a day themselves to eat and drink. With Bunny brooding on the couch I would get her off, put her out the back door and when she did all she needed she was back flogging the front door wanting in. Towards the end of incubation they may stay off the eggs a bit longer and it will not harm them. None of my girls will come off the nest after day 18, and I will not remove them. If they were in a incubator it would be time to enter lockdown, and I think the hens know this as well. So that last day they come off, they gorge themselves, dust bath for a extended period getting ready for the hatch. I try to offer them water and a little bit of food throughout the whole process while they are on the nest. Some will drink and eat, others will not touch it until they come off the eggs for their break. As far as candling goes, you said they were dark eggs. I would not try then until around day 16ish. I candle at night with the lights off and a dark blanket over me. on those dark eggs by then, good ones will be black with only the air cell visible. A bad egg by then will light up like a Christmas tree.
I noticed that with Blanche's egg at day 16 it was dark with an air sack.... Oh course I have no idea if that was good or bad them being my first ever eggs!!
 
Curly finally gave up yesterday haha

Now it's Marty, Misty and Whiskers...haha
Princess tried ever so hard too hatch Tina's egg this morning :th🐔🥚


Flexi. What on this earth are you trying too do princess. Do you think this is some kind of immaculate conception. Really you are soooo silly sometimes. Bok bok brooook
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Ok good to know, this should make it easy to set a routine for both you and her to help her out being her first time. Pick a time and if she has not wanted to come off by then each day remove her and put her outside. If she has not decided she is done in a hour, bring her back in yourself. The eggs will be fine. I would also not turn on a heating pad while she is out, they are in more danger of getting too hot then getting too cold. If you want to you can just cover them over with a blanket or towel. If she seem lethargic while on the eggs do not panic, she is actually in a trance while sitting there. She will have enough sense about her to turn the eggs, or shriek at you if you walk by but she is not going to be actively shuffling about or talking. If the eggs are good, you will hear her start softly talking to them once they have made that internal pip. If you are lucky and sit beside her then you may even be fortunate enough to hear the chick peeping back to her.
I was astonished to hear the eggs chirping when they where hatching! And Henny Penny chirping right back.

Oh and I did drag her off the eggs once daily to eat/poop/drink, as it was Oct I put a small hand towel over the eggs to help keep warm.

I am also astonished the eggs hatched as I had no idea what I was doing, and Henny was also first time broody. Seems Henny was doing fine all on her own 🤗

Alex keep us updated daily 💖
 
She hatched 2. A full Marans that I have suspected to be a boy from day 1 named George. The 2nd chick is a happy surprise. Instead of full Marans, Branch got lucky and it's a Silkie x Marans cross named Twiggy. They are 3 weeks old today and I've known for a week now that Twiggy got it's momma's normal feathering so I'm referring to it as a Satin Silkie.
And her name is Twiggy! :celebrate:love
 
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Has there been an update on Alex's situation ? I've been running off my feet today and couldn't check in
Eight living chooks.Me, Xzit and Dakota are watching YouTube videos with me laying on the heating pad. The rest of the tribe is outside free ranging (under the porch) because it’s hot 🥵
 

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