Once you have a chance to use it a bit I’d like to hear your thoughts on it. I have a friend with a 2 yr old lab who is 100% scent driven from an outstanding hunting line. The problem is these people are not hunters! They are older-middle aged couch potatoes.
They’ve had 3 trainers.
She’s bought so many harnesses.
She’s always on the lookout for a better one.
Yes. The kong was amongst her “give to animal shelter” pile.

She will not try a head halter because she’s afraid she’ll hurt the dog if suddenly the dog sees a bunnie or squirrel or something on their walks.

They walk 1.5 hrs daily. The owner now has a torn rotator cuff on one side.

I won't use head halters, choke chains, or zappers either.

Just not my way.

I prefer a body harness as it takes pressure off the neck.

Tilly gets her nose down and her ears fail to function. Yup very much "on the trail".
:lau
 
They need a proper fitting choke chain, and learn how to use it. It works and does not hurt the dog if used right.
hi Cappy ,
I mentioned that to her and she freaked out. She feels she lacks the reflexes to give the dog the feedback she needs to learn from it.
Stuff she said:
I’m too slow.
It might hurt my arm.
I might hurt her.
People will think I’m mean.
What she wants is dang magic to happen.
I love her dearly but they’ve gone in the deep end with this dog. They’ve never had a “large breed dog” in their lives. Always small to smaller medium.
This was fulfilling her husband’s “lifelong dream” of getting a “real dog”.
The problem is he travels. And when he’s not traveling, he’s on the couch.

What he really wanted was a big cuddly stuffed animal, THE SIZE OF AN EIGHTY POUND DOG, that he could prop his arm on while he watches TV.

I personally don’t have a problem with “choke chains” other than the name and people who don’t even know which way to put them on, or abuse them.
It’s GENTLE pressure and the sound of the chain slipping that makes the dog learn, not “choking” them. Years ago when I was first going to dog training classes that’s all we used in the beginning then faded to flat buckle collars within a few weeks. The learning curve was that swift.
 
Once you have a chance to use it a bit I’d like to hear your thoughts on it. I have a friend with a 2 yr old lab who is 100% scent driven from an outstanding hunting line. The problem is these people are not hunters! They are older-middle aged couch potatoes.
They’ve had 3 trainers.
She’s bought so many harnesses.
She’s always on the lookout for a better one.
Yes. The kong was amongst her “give to animal shelter” pile.

She will not try a head halter because she’s afraid she’ll hurt the dog if suddenly the dog sees a bunnie or squirrel or something on their walks.

They walk 1.5 hrs daily. The owner now has a torn rotator cuff on one side.
my shelter dog tried this dragging me around the yard bit... he was turned in because the widow couldn't handle him.
ended up with a shock collar.. worked wonders when it was on him.. only had to shock him when he took off after deer and such.
when I took him to obedience class trainer recommended a pinch, I didn't tell him I had a shock collar for off lead.
Haven't had the shock on him in a couple of years
 
I won't use head halters, choke chains, or zappers either.

Just not my way.

I prefer a body harness as it takes pressure off the neck.

Tilly gets her nose down and her ears fail to function. Yup very much "on the trail".
:lau
Until the current shelter dog
Hadn't used anything but a buckle collar , nylon show lead or a harness... but I raised all of them from pups.
Now that current dog is trained he just has a harness
or buckle collar when we go somewhere.
 
my shelter dog tried this dragging me around the yard bit... he was turned in because the widow couldn't handle him.
ended up with a shock collar.. worked wonders when it was on him.. only had to shock him when he took off after deer and such.
when I took him to obedience class trainer recommended a pinch, I didn't tell him I had a shock collar for off lead.
Haven't had the shock on him in a couple of years
I don’t have an aversion To them either. In fact, they are incredible “feedback devices”.
I have one.
I call it the “be-good collar”.

I bought it for cooper.

Jonah was around when the chickens were babies and wasn’t a prey driven dog at all. He loved lying in the sunshine with the chickens free ranging all around (and sometimes right on top of him!)
They would come and pluck gnats off of his fur. He’d never so much as flinch.

Cooper however wanted to run them down- like many dogs, thinking that they were fast moving fluffy squeaky toys.

I needed to correct that behavior right out of the gate. I don’t want to hate him for normal dog behavior, but I’d be so sad if he killed my flock.

I have one that isn’t even top of the line but does everything I wanted it to do.
Sound.
Or vibrate.
Or variable shock.

I use the sound to remind me if its on. And I say to him “here’s our reminder”.

He knows what that means.

Vibrate is attention getting and breaks his concentration if I see he’s visually locked on and not responding to voice commands.

It’s a warning that I’m not liking his behavior around them and he knows that means he must put distance between himself and them and show me that I have his attention.

Shock is never up full blast and always super fast.
Yes I tried it on my own neck skin before I ever put it on him.
It’s a fast static charge. It’s not like what I’d imagine being “tazed” by the police would feel like.

DH lacks the speed and coordination with the buttons. Therefore he’s not “authorized to use it”.

I’d say he’s 99.8% “there” when he’s outside with the chickens now. (Dog-not husband)

I rarely put it on him unless I think he’s in need of a “tune up” lesson.

I can’t believe it even still works. It’s water resistant. Not water proof.

Yet he’s accidentally gone swimming in it at least 20-25 times.
The cat has chewed the tiny charging connectors so many times they’re almost not recognizable.
Yet it still charges and works great.
I’d highly recommend it to anyone.
 
I won't use head halters, choke chains, or zappers either.

Just not my way.

I prefer a body harness as it takes pressure off the neck.

Tilly gets her nose down and her ears fail to function. Yup very much "on the trail".
:lau
I totally respect that. All dogs are different as are all owners.
I appreciate that when I was going to school to be a dog trainer I at least had exposure to all types of training tools.
I think a lot of dogs in shelters might not be turned in or euthanized if trainers could work with the owners to strategize what methods worked best on certain dogs.

Jonah was the easiest dog in the world. 100% positive training. Mostly clicker. Never had to raise your voice. He loved food too, so rewards were all good in his book. Win win.
He was my 1 in a million, dog of a lifetime. He LIVED to please.
 
Never said good morning by the way so good afternoon everybody.

I’ve been planting!

My little urban veggie garden is a month behind schedule but finally starting to take shape. Messy is a shape isn’t it?

Growing definitely is.

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