Should I turn my bottom pipper?

[Emmaxx]

Thanks, I know, I don't really want to 'help' especially this early on, I would rather just wait and keep a close eye on this one, but it's 1:48am here and I really need to go to bed I am a bit worried to leave it til the morning so just wondering how much harm it will do to act now, not a full blown assist I don't mean, just to break through the membrane for it where it's pipped as I looks like it's trying but not managing

 

[Emmaxx]

Just checked again and it seems to have split the membrane now, so I can sleep easier knowing it's far less likely to suffocate during the night

 

[Emmaxx]

So it has been getting on for 22 hours now since first 'pip' or attempted pip, and getting towards 12 hours since it broke through the membrane
***just to be straight, if this was going on at the correct end I would not be worried, I know this is a perfectly acceptable time frame for normal internal to external pip etc and this situation combines the two into an even longer waiting time a day will most likely still be absorbing yolk if it can*** (not aimed at you, dfalco, or anyone else in particular)
Just wondering how long I should wait before I should start getting concerned? Would it be a good idea to roll it over now so that I can see what's going on and monitor better?
Egg is still wobbling, sometimes with great vigour (I know this might not necessarily be a good sign) air cell still looks empty.
Thank you

 

[Emmaxx]

These are black east indies by the way, if that makes a difference?
Also, I hear peeping but I can't really say which out of the three hatching eggs it's coming from. It doesn't sound alarming to me but I don't know what a distress call so to such would sound like.
@Pyxis @WVduckchick would love to get your thoughts if you're still about (and/or get the notification)

 

[Pyxis]

Since this guy pipped at the wrong end, it actually probably has quite a ways left to go. Since it's on the wrong end, it didn't have access to the air cell, meaning it never got a chance to internally pip and rest before externally pipping. Instead, it had to jump straight to externally pipping. This means it externally pipped up to 24 hours before it would normally have done so, so we need to allow an extra 24 hours before starting to worry. So, allow 48 hours from the time of the external pip before you start thinking about an assist.

The good news is that they can usually hatch on their own in this position with no help needed.

 

[Emmaxx]

Since this guy pipped at the wrong end, it actually probably has quite a ways left to go. Since it's on the wrong end, it didn't have access to the air cell, meaning it never got a chance to internally pip and rest before externally pipping. Instead, it had to jump straight to externally pipping. This means it externally pipped up to 24 hours before it would normally have done so, so we need to allow an extra 24 hours before starting to worry. So, allow 48 hours from the time of the external pip before you start thinking about an assist.

The good news is that they can usually hatch on their own in this position with no help needed.

Do you think I should roll it back though so I can see keep an eye on the hole it's already made? Not so much the pip in the membrane, it's the exposed membrane I mean. Or do you think the area is small enough that even if it did dry up and stick to the chick it wouldn't be sufficient to hinder any progress?

 

[WVduckchick]

x2 on all Pyxis said.
I do normally roll bottom pippers, but from looking at your pic, I would leave it. Only because if you turn it, it could cause any fluid to move and impede progress even more. It's pretty close to the tip, so I think it's safer where it is. Jmho

 

[WVduckchick]

And just to add... Once it does start zipping, it should still zip counter clockwise, which in this case will be upward, which will be safer. Just in case there was any fluid at all in the tip of that egg.
That's just my thinking. You really have to trust your gut, since you are there.

 

[Emmaxx]

Thank you! As I have said, I currently have no intention to start assisting, especially at this stage, as I know it could hatch just fine and the waiting is normal, I think not being able to see what's going on is just driving me a little nuts

@WVduckchick do you think it is safe to just roll it ever so slightly like in the picture every so often (like 6-12) hours just to check in on it, or do you think even that could be risky? With hatching movements will it break into the air cell at some point with other body parts as I can luckily monitor that end from outside the Incubator?
As much as I like my incubator for reliability it really is quite hopeless for viewing hatches, even under normal conditions

Is there anything I should keep an eye out for that would indicate a problem?

 

[WVduckchick]

I'm not saying its definitely unsafe to go ahead and roll it over. It may be fine. I'm just saying its probably ok where it is.
But, if you can't monitor it well, then maybe rolling it would be the better option. You need to watch for any dark coloring on the shell, like if fluid slipped between the shell and the membrane. And mostly watch the exposed membrane. If it turns brown and dry looking, then assistance may be necessary. As long as it stays white to wet-gray, to even a light tan color, it should be fine. Brown and leathery is cause for concern.

eta- also watch for lack of movement and keep an ear out for peeping. They will rest, but a flash of light, a tap on the window, a bump of the incubator should get a reaction.