The Quack Shack

[Pyxis]

She has really thick legs...

Where did you get her?

I am beating around the bush trying to figure out how she got angel wings...

Hopefully, she is just at that awkward age.

She's a broad breasted white turkey from TSC. Almost died, came home with me so I could try to save her. Of the three I brought home, she's the only one that recovered.

She's just in an awkward phase

 

[duluthralphie]

So cute!! For a second I thought he had a little hat. Then I realized it was part of the heat plate.

I was going to be a smartie pants and post a photo of turkey wearing a hat.. so I did a google search for “turkey wearing a hat”..

All I got were cartoons of a turkey in a hat .. and Michael Moore wearing a hat...

 

[Trimurtisan]

Looks like you did some reading on it already, but chocolate is a recessive sex-linked gene in chickens, same as it is in ducks. Males must get two copies for it to express, and females only one since they can only ever get one.

Dun is an incompletely dominant dilution gene, not sex-linked. One copy of the gene makes a bird Dun. Two copies makes it Khaki. It is at the same locus as Dominant white, which it is recessive to.

So can dun affect any black feather that blue can, ie: lacing, barring and so on?

The lady I'm getting him from seems to be pretty knowledgeable about her birds. I'll be honest though, I hope he's actually cuckoo instead of barred. Though she also breeds blue cuckoo Silkies so I'm guessing she knows the differences.

The trail of circumstances that lead me to him are pretty random. I was actually hoping to use a paint Silkie so could get a different feather texture and the blue dilution. When frizzled bared dun came across the screen though, I was sold on using a Cochin. Unique and cute are the goal.

 

[Trimurtisan]

I may or may not have set 19 more eggs.
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[ShrekDawg]

I may or may not have set 19 more eggs.
(Insert mysterious music and evil laugh)​

 

[Pyxis]

So can dun affect any black feather that blue can, ie: lacing, barring and so on?

The lady I'm getting him from seems to be pretty knowledgeable about her birds. I'll be honest though, I hope he's actually cuckoo instead of barred. Though she also breeds blue cuckoo Silkies so I'm guessing she knows the differences.

The trail of circumstances that lead me to him are pretty random. I was actually hoping to use a paint Silkie so could get a different feather texture and the blue dilution. When frizzled bared dun came across the screen though, I was sold on using a Cochin. Unique and cute are the goal.

It should affect that from what I understand, yes It changes the base color of the bird. All the pattern genes can still work with it.

Barred and cuckoo are the same gene Barring is just a more crisp pattern caused by slower feather growth.

It sounds like you're not going to use a Paint silkie now, but just in case, Paint doesn't involve blue. It's basically black 'showing through' dominant white. It's erminette, they just call it Paint on silkies. Now, you could add blue to get a 'blue paint', but Paint itself is just dominant white with some modifier genes that are allowing the black base color to show through in spots.

 

[Trimurtisan]

Barred and cuckoo are the same gene Barring is just a more crisp pattern caused by slower feather growth.

I might have worded it wrong before. I understand it's one gene. My understanding is one marker gives cockoo while two markers gives barred. The reason I said I hope he's cuckoo (B/b+) is to hopefully get none barred dun chicks in the f1.

It sounds like you're not going to use a Paint silkie now, but just in case, Paint doesn't involve blue. It's basically black 'showing through' dominant white. It's erminette, they just call it Paint on silkies. Now, you could add blue to get a 'blue paint', but Paint itself is just dominant white with some modifier genes that are allowing the black base color to show through in spots.

Well I didn't know that. I knew a paint Silkie was a splash, but I didn't know there was a paint pattern/modifier. My original idea was indeed with a splash boy not a true paint.

 

[Pyxis]

I might have worded it wrong before. I understand it's one gene. My understanding is one marker gives cockoo while two markers gives barred. The reason I said I hope he's cuckoo (B/b+) is to hopefully get none barred dun chicks in the f1.


Well I didn't know that. I knew a paint Silkie was a splash, but I didn't know there was a paint pattern/modifier. My original idea was indeed with a splash boy not a true paint.

Ah, so you're hoping for a male that's single barred. Barred and cuckoo don't differ as to how many copies of the gene the bird has - it's totally down to just the 'crispness' of the barring that makes the difference. A cuckoo marans rooster and a barred rock rooster both have two copies of the barred gene. The difference is the barred rock should be (and I say should because often hatchery barred rocks aren't, which is why their barring isn't nice) slow feathering, which gives lots of time for the barring pattern to form, and so it forms nice even bars. A cuckoo bird is faster feathering, resulting in the barring being more fuzzy and less uniform.

To quote a really nice post explaining the difference, "The extremely narrow and sharp barring seen on the Barred Plymouth Rocks is achieved by the presence of the gene ('K') for very slow feathering growth,which allows for a lot of on/off sequences in the time it takes for a feather to grow. The same barring gene ('B') when on a rapid feathering breed gives wide, coarse, fuzzy "Cuckoo Barring" as seen on Cuckoo Marans, Cuckoo Cochins and others."

Since barring is sex linked, a female can only ever have one copy - but a well-bred barred rock hen is still barred, not cuckoo, as an example.

Paint and splash are totally different Splash is two copies of blue on an extended black base. Paint is dominant white with black peaking through.

Sorry, I get excited about talking genetics, lol I'm much better at ducks and geese than chickens, though - I'm still learning all the genes chickens can have.

 

[rjohns39]

Good morning folks

Glad you are safe! I'm waiting anxiously to hear if a non chicken friend is safe. She was right in its path and hasn't had anything on fb, but lots of messages from family and friends trying to reach her

Wunda, hoping for the best for your friend. There are still 38 people unaccounted for in Putnam county.

 

[Trimurtisan]

Happy Birthday
@cra8ychix!

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