Bedtime

Well bedtime was very interesting. As you can see in this picture, they found the roost.
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However, once there, they just peeped and peeped at the top of their lungs until I came over and moved them to my arm. Then they settled in and started grooming. After about 10 minutes they were settled on my arm for the night and Phyllis was roosted next to me on Maleficent's roost.

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Of course, as much as I would have loved it, they needed to sleep in the coop. So I got up and put them in the nest box with the heat block. They snuggled under it and went to sleep.

After it was dark, I put Phyllis on the roost and locked them in. I expect I will be checking the camera all night. 🙁

Now we wait and see how things go in the morning. 😬
Yes, the routine of snuggling with you, I think you should keep that up during this transition. It will help them through it. How can they be suddenly without their "mama" to settle down and go to sleep by? :love
 
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Yes, that's good advice Michelle. Next time I have a chicken with a chronic sickness, I will be sure to ask about cancer.

(Thank you, Ruby, for teaching me this important lesson)
But what does this mean to everyone here? Euthanize if it is thought to be cancer? Suppose it is not? Do vets do biopsies? I haven't heard of that being done. So then it is a best guess situation?
 
No no. You are not thinking right
You know she had good days and those were your gift to her. She told you when she was ready to go and you kept her safe while she departed.
The cause of her illness doesn’t change any of that and yiu shoukd feel proud of how you helped her.
:hugs :hugs
Yes, well said! :goodpost:
 
Hold it. How does that diagnosis, compared to the other possibilities, make this so especially horrible? I think you are experiencing the second-guessing that grief brings. Please forgive the following rant, but I hope this will ease your mind some:

It is not how much cancer you have but what & where it happens to be impinging on, interfering with, pushing against (or not) that causes pain and discomfort. People can go along with a lot of cancer in them and not know it, and I would guess chickens too. That is why cancer is such a sneaky disease. I'm being flippant but in some ways I would rather have deadly cancer than deadly infections like salpingitis, where infection eats away at you right from the get-go and one has pain right away. One can live pain-free with quite a bit of metastasis. The ascites itself causes discomfort because of volume and you did help her there. Cancer in joints and bones can be painful, yes. Unless it originates there, for most people that is close to the end of their journey. Masses in the belly and elsewhere aren't necessarily painful.

But understand that pain can change as the disease of cancer progresses. It can even go away, and then pop up eventually somewhere else. Know that it's not necessarily a cumulative experience of pain as the cancer spreads. Humans can also have extremely painful non-cancerous cysts or growths, or be filled with cancer and be fairly pain-free, it depends. It's a judgement call between patient and doctors on how to treat, what pain meds to give and when and how to administer palliative care when needed. Everyone's experience is unique.

Often, our perception of cancer patients' trials and tribulations - the severe weight loss, the paleness, the hair loss - often that is due to the treatments, which can cause nausea, taste loss, blood problems, etc, not necessarily the cancer! Humans are able to eat a lot of calories. Maybe chickens cannot make it up the way humans can? Cancer is indeed hungry, it is rapid cell division, and weight loss can be due to the inability to keep up with the demands of both the cancer and the normal cell metabolism. But humans may both lose weight or gain weight with undiagnosed cancer. Ruby was eating and pooping up to her last days as I understand it, so in my opinion she was not likely blocked until the very end.

You observed Ruby very carefully. She had what appeared to be many good days in this journey because of your care. Try to remember that.
What an amazing explanation. Thanks so much for writing this. I could never have said it this well. Thank you for being here. I hope this helps @micstrachan

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But what does this mean to everyone here? Euthanize if it is thought to be cancer? Suppose it is not? Do vets do biopsies? I haven't heard of that being done. So then it is a best guess situation?
No I think this is not right.
Euthenize when an animal is unable to live a good life. The cause doesn't matter. Chickens (and cats) are hard to judge because as prey animals they hide weakness, and that is why careful observation of your chickens is so important.
To me that is the lesson here.
@micstrachan watches her ladies very carefully and I have full confidence that she was able to tell when Ruby had good days and when she stopped having good days.
We should all aspire to knowing our friends that well so we can make those difficult judgements at the right time.
 
Warning: Blast from the past...I"m only up to page 868. Keeping up with current & trying to catch up on old is almost impossible!:thYou guys are chatterboxes!!!;)

Maybe Hattie was coming over to confirm that Sansa had earned her 'big girl' status??
I still think she thought I had food for her. 😆
 
Why didn't you turn the cats loose in the coop last year then?
Partly I didn't trust them with the chickens although I think now they would have been fine. But mainly because the cats were busy keeping the mice down in the house!
 
Yes, the routine of snuggling with you, I think you should keep that up during this transition. It will help them through it. How can they be suddenly without their "mama" to settle down and go to sleep by? :love
I fear (secretly hope) that you may be right. I'm here for them if needs be.
 

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