Fluffy Butt Acres: Stories of our flock

[RoyalChick]

Hmmmm yes that is an odd dose, maybe it’s for toddlers. The dose is different for those here I have seen on the box.

So 32mg/ml, and 16mg/0.5ml. Well within the tolerance range.

Hmmm you know I seem to recall that I saw this strength before and commented on it. Now I am sure it’s for toddlers. At any rate it’s still good

Just makes the arithmetic harder to slip in 'per 5 mls'. Why???!

 

[Ponypoor]

Okay, I bought this. And I have always been terrible at math. Aliss is about 3lbs. How much do I give her? And how many times per day?
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I am reading backwards hahaha (sorry trying to catch up).

@RoyalChick as I suspected this is for toddlers that is why the dose strength is odd (5ml), but it’s still effective and a good choice. And the dose of good at 0.5ml

 

[RoyalChick]

Oy vey... Well... Let's see if I can hold myself together.

About an hour ago Aliss fell asleep. Within minutes she was gone. I don't know what happened. She was doing so well today. I was about to give her a piece of my dinner and she was just lying there, her comb was starting to turn pale, she was still warm. She must have just passed. I held her and rocked her and kissed her over and over and cried. I had to bury her by myself, my dad is sleeping. I'm just stunned, and my heart is broken. I don't know what happened. I'm just glad she went in her sleep. I hope she wasn't in pain. And I'm happy her last day was good. I'm just so... More than sad. I don't know how else to put it, just heartbroken. I didn't expect it. I didn't think it would hit me so hard.

Oh I am so very sorry TOMTE. That is sooo sad.
I am glad it was peaceful, and sounds like pain free. Maybe the wound damaged things internally more than was possible to see.

 

[Ponypoor]

Oy vey... Well... Let's see if I can hold myself together.

About an hour ago Aliss fell asleep. Within minutes she was gone. I don't know what happened. She was doing so well today. I was about to give her a piece of my dinner and she was just lying there, her comb was starting to turn pale, she was still warm. She must have just passed. I held her and rocked her and kissed her over and over and cried. I had to bury her by myself, my dad is sleeping. I'm just stunned, and my heart is broken. I don't know what happened. I'm just glad she went in her sleep. I hope she wasn't in pain. And I'm happy her last day was good. I'm just so... More than sad. I don't know how else to put it, just heartbroken. I didn't expect it. I didn't think it would hit me so hard.

Oh no! I wonder if she had an artery tear that finally let go. Being shaken by a dog is very traumatic. Please do not think it is anything you did or didn’t do.

I suspect that she had a crush injury from the force of the dogs bite, and as you have stated that she had a prolapse I suspect that is the case. I was really hoping that wasn’t the case, but I am not surprised. And if that is the case there would have been absolutely nothing that could have been done. It was just a matter of time.

I know this is poor solace, but I do want you to know that some injuries just can’t be healed. You did everything right.

Ok I am sending hugs to you.

 

[RebeccaBoyd]

Ok grabbed a few quick pics this morning before I headed north.

I did a quick head count - 3 tiny wee babies. I am almost freaked out handling them!
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And I have Whiskers some water and food. I am about to go get her off the nest to poop and check babies again.
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And I removed that last egg. It was not growing since Thursday it seems.

Oh how cute.

First off, any intrusive thoughts you have saying they are all cockerels, get rid of them. Those are girls, and will remain girls until proven otherwise.

Now that that first bit is out of the way, congrats you have 2 buffs there. The paler one solid buff no questions. The darker of the two yellow chicks, maybe buff partridge. I can maybe make out stripes on it. If it is a buff partridge I want to steal it. You do realize you have a future stunning chicken. Chiquita was a buff partridge and here she is in all her glory.

The final chick is clearly a partridge. I'm going to be honest I've never had any of mine hatch out that shade though. The next 2 months will be a guessing game on what type of partridge will it be. It looks chocolatey.

Congrats on the 3 lovely little Pullets. Congrats again on getting your wish for a buff silkie, you have 2. I am sorry that all the polish eggs did not make it, I wish you had gotten at least 1. You will have to keep those little girls, you know that right?

 

[Ponypoor]

Can you link me to the posts that say infant Tylenol? I have only found ones that say don't give Tylenol!

And do you understand why the package says 2FL OZ (59ml) when your picture shows a 5ml syringe? Is there anything else on the package to suggest what that is about?!

That said, I have found 2 legit scientific studies that give some indication of safe dose for a 3lb (=1.4kg) chicken.
I won't fuss with posting them but can do so if you want. They basically are reassuring that you wouldn't be endangering your hen with that product even if you gave her all of it (don't do that!).

I also found that our Fluffy Butt friend @Ponypoor has used infant Tylenol on her silkies and believes the dose is 10mg/kg. I don't have a source for that other than Pony - but real world experience is good so let's go with that!
At 10mg/kg you want to give your 1.4kg hen 14mg of the drug. I think Pony gives it twice a day.
With the product you have, that would be about 0.5ml (160mg in 5ml so 16mg in 0.5ml).
We are well in the safe zone based on the studies I found, so don't be too nervous.
Use your smaller syringe and give the 0.5ml which is conveniently the first marking on the syringe.
But as I said, we are well in the safe zone so don't worry if it goes a shade over or under.
Good luck!
@Ponypoor or @bgmathteach or anyone - do please check my math and my thinking here - I have never used this and am just trying to help out TOMTE.

Perfect!

Correct


Literature on use of Acetaminophen in poultry:

Here is a study on the use of Acetaminophen in broilers.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2997462/


As with any study there will always be updates and changes over time. From my experience I have not had any issues with Acetaminophen (Tylenol / Paracetamol).

 

[RebeccaBoyd]

Oy vey... Well... Let's see if I can hold myself together.

About an hour ago Aliss fell asleep. Within minutes she was gone. I don't know what happened. She was doing so well today. I was about to give her a piece of my dinner and she was just lying there, her comb was starting to turn pale, she was still warm. She must have just passed. I held her and rocked her and kissed her over and over and cried. I had to bury her by myself, my dad is sleeping. I'm just stunned, and my heart is broken. I don't know what happened. I'm just glad she went in her sleep. I hope she wasn't in pain. And I'm happy her last day was good. I'm just so... More than sad. I don't know how else to put it, just heartbroken. I didn't expect it. I didn't think it would hit me so hard.

I am so very very sorry. I truly hate dogs these days. The puncture wounds looked bad when they first happened. She probably had internal injuries that you could not know about. Am I correct in remembering the offending dog was a husky? You need to do a couple things now. First when you are able this evening or tomorrow you NEED to go inform the owner of Aliss's passing. If there is a ounce of responsibility within the owner they will at least offer to compensate you for a adult laying hen, and that is not cheap, $40 to $50 would be fair. It is time to also warn the owner if you have not already. The dog has done this once, it WILL do it again. If it were me, the 2nd it stepped foot back on your property it would be a dead dog walking I'm sorry. I would have your dad with you when you visit the dog owner to inform them of this as well.

 

[Ponypoor]

Oh how cute.

First off, any intrusive thoughts you have saying they are all cockerels, get rid of them. Those are girls, and will remain girls until proven otherwise.

Now that that first bit is out of the way, congrats you have 2 buffs there. The paler one solid buff no questions. The darker of the two yellow chicks, maybe buff partridge. I can maybe make out stripes on it. If it is a buff partridge I want to steal it. You do realize you have a future stunning chicken. Chiquita was a buff partridge and here she is in all her glory.
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The final chick is clearly a partridge. I'm going to be honest I've never had any of mine hatch out that shade though. The next 2 months will be a guessing game on what type of partridge will it be. It looks chocolatey.

Congrats on the 3 lovely little Pullets. Congrats again on getting your wish for a buff silkie, you have 2. I am sorry that all the polish eggs did not make it, I wish you had gotten at least 1. You will have to keep those little girls, you know that right?

Awe I loved Chiquita you know that right? And yes I would love an orange silkie (I was so sad when she passed).

If you were closer, I would make a rendezvous with you and drop them off. I don’t really need any more chooks. But seeing as how you’re at least a 13hr drive from me I guess those little ladies will have to stay.

I was wondering about the colouring, esp since my neighbour seems to have a pen full of blacks! I must have got all three eggs from the one orange hen of hers hahaha.

Whiskers is a really good mama, very attentive and very protective - I am very happy with how she is behaving.

I tried to get her off the nest earlier to have a poop but she was having none of that. Next thing I smell this great awful broody poop, she had a big poop in the nest.

When I tried to haul her out to clean her, it was a battle. I did manage to get her and the nest all cleaned up and put her back with her babies. Sheesh! So much stress with these birds! I don’t recall Georgie and the rest being so horrible about getting up!

But it’s good to see her with the babies, esp after last years bad outcome. And the lightest baby already knows how to come on out look around, peck at some food and then run back under mama.

Now if I can see the other two doing this I will feel a lot better. I am thinking of moving her into the crate tomorrow, it’s really hard for me to check on her where she is at the moment. While it’s a great spot for her, it’s not so much for me

Ok everyone have a lovely evening.

 

[Ponypoor]

Is that syringe really 59ml (which is what it implies on the package? What are the markings - meaning how accurately could you give a small amount? 10ml? Less?

Also, any chance you could get children's aspirin or ibuprofen instead. I think you will be OK giving a small amount of this - but it is pretty clear all sources say that an NSAID like ibuprofen or aspirin is safer for birds.

The container is 59ml (2 oz).

 

[TOMTE]

I am so very very sorry. I truly hate dogs these days. The puncture wounds looked bad when they first happened. She probably had internal injuries that you could not know about. Am I correct in remembering the offending dog was a husky? You need to do a couple things now. First when you are able this evening or tomorrow you NEED to go inform the owner of Aliss's passing. If there is a ounce of responsibility within the owner they will at least offer to compensate you for a adult laying hen, and that is not cheap, $40 to $50 would be fair. It is time to also warn the owner if you have not already. The dog has done this once, it WILL do it again. If it were me, the 2nd it stepped foot back on your property it would be a dead dog walking I'm sorry. I would have your dad with you when you visit the dog owner to inform them of this as well.

My dad has the owner's number. We'll let her know about it. But even now I couldn't ask her to pay for Aliss' death. I'm heartbroken but not angry and I can't blame the dog, and I can hardly blame the owner either. I know most everybody here has a different opinion than me on this, but I love dogs deeply, I know how and why they act the way they do, and I know accidents happen. And huskies are furry Houdinis. The dog was out, saw one of my free roaming chickens as a toy and played with her like a toy because she had easy access to her. I know and accept the risks of free ranging. The dog shouldn't have been on my property or have access to my chickens in the first place, but she was and did, and dogs don't have a concept of invisible boundaries/property lines. It's just unfortunate. I can't bring myself to feel any sort of resentment or anything like that.