If there is enough vacuum to pull the raised circle of the lid down, there is enough vacuum. If not, then not. Otherwise, it doesn't matter how far the lid is pulled down. At least, I think that is how it works. How else makes any sense?
There's not much if any of a dimple on the new Ball lids which is why they didn't pop. The Walmart lids all have a pronounced dimple in the center.
 
I switched to Superb lids, the blue seals. I was having problems with Ball lids and when I contacted the Ball company they made it sound like it was my fault. So, I switched to Superb.
I believe they have to pop to be sealed. If you can use your fingers to take the lid off, they are not sealed.
My mom has switched to Superb brand also. I have only ever had one lid not seal, in all my years of canning. I plan on using all my Ball lids that I bought and might switch but haven't decided
 
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But I don't know anything about the three you named.
I didn't see that brand when I was researching, but thanks. I ended up ordering one of these...

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